Is this or is this not a cleaned coin?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Allan, Jan 3, 2020.

  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    ICG uses a different standard. The graders there follow that standard. I would guess the coin was overdipped trying to remove the staining.
    The images are really bright. I'll bet the coin looks a bit darker in hand.
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  3. Allan

    Allan Member

    MS Details Cleaned but not a Straight MS like it graded
  4. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity Supporter

    Fairly certain since 1860 the coin was dipped to diminish discoloration...Spark
  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    Great Collections is known for taking very bright images, almost washed out sometimes. In hand, it probably does show at least some luster. It may be slightly darker in hand as well.

    I personally don't see any wear in these images, and I don't see any harsh polish or cleaning lines. Absolutely, 100% the coin has been dipped and I personally don't find it attractive or appealing.

    However, assuming that there is some luster in hand, an MS-60/61 grade is appropriate here.
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  6. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    Considering it's in an ICG slab, I'm okay with it.
  7. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    To be fair, both PCGS and NGC "conserve" coins and grade them as mint state. Which is, by definition, cleaned. With that out of the way, I think it also fair to say that this one was cleaned prior to ICG's assignment of the grade. The point is, cleaning is NOT a bad thing if done properly. No matter who's doing the cleaning. Sadly, this one was done wrong. Does it deserve an MS61 grade versus a straight grade? The vast majority of the market will respond "no".
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  8. edduns

    edduns Senior Member

    I believe this is what it will look like in hand

    787407-1.jpg 787407-2.jpg
  9. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted Supporter

    This is an assumption...?!
    Come on, ICG is not a “bargain basement TPG”. Are you aware that experts like Insider work there? As another member mentioned, they grade the coins according to their own standards.
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  10. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I once owned a similar seated dollar, in plastic from one of the top two. It bothered me to have so many $$ tied up in a coin I just didn't like the looks of, that just had a cleaned look. I eventually traded it.
  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I'm sorry that you missed the point. You took what I said at face value and lost the meaning.
  12. Allan

    Allan Member

    Here is a straight ms graded coin 782590-1.jpg 782590-2.jpg
  13. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted Supporter

    Sorry, I think I did. What were you trying to say? It wouldn’t receive a straight grade if submitted to NGC/PCGS?
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Yes and the grading company is not done in a basement or garage, it's just not one of the top 3. They have their own standards and they stick to them.
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