Is this or is this not a cleaned coin?

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  1. Allan

    Allan Member

    I may be wrong but this coin looks cleaned. 787407-1.jpg
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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Looks a tad over dipped to about a shot of the posterior? I mean, reverse.
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  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Dipped or cleaned, it's not natural.
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  5. Allan

    Allan Member

    Here is the reverse 787407-2.jpg
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  6. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Quite frankly, by your photogs, I don't know how they could have assigned this coin an mint state grade. There is a total lack of luster.
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  7. Allan

    Allan Member

    you are right green 18 I don't know much but I do know that coin is not a MS
  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Careful. There are 'experts' to chime in (of which I am not) and I could be 'drummed out of the Corp'.........:)
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

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  10. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    A couple of comments.. Is this your coin? Your pictures? Sellers pictures? Could the picture be washed out. It does look over dipped but is it market acceptable for this type coin and date? I'm just asking.
  11. Allan

    Allan Member

    No this is not my coin and it is the seller's pictures.
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  12. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    I think that has been re submitted till it got straight graded.
    It's been cleaned and stripped of any luster.
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  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    MS Details Cleaned
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  14. Penna_Boy

    Penna_Boy Just a nobody from the past

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was cleaned. I sent two ICG straight graded Trade Dollars first to NGC then to PCGS. Both times they came back 'Details - Cleaned'.
  15. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted Supporter

    Do you see any wear? If there’s wear then it shouldn’t grade MS/UNC. If not, then it is MS/UNC. Why do think ICG graded it 61? I can’t see a large number of hits and marks, so it seems to be a net grade. Does this make sense?
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  16. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It has been overdipped. Nothing more
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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I see MS
  18. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    AU, but market acceptable
  19. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That coin has been treated and I'm sure resubmitted to tpgs a number of times. The owner finally sent it to a bargain basement TPG and they straight graded it. I'd avoid at all costs as it doesn't look that good to be. No luster at all.
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  20. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    If you like the coin at the price, buy it.
    The coin is the coin ... is the coin ... is ...
    And 'grade' is just somebody's OPINION
    of the coin.
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  21. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    It appears to be dipped, but not abrasively cleaned. The skin isn't completely original, but the metal itself isn't damaged by wiping or scrubbing. I'd probably buy it, but at a discount compared to an example with original mint luster. If it had evidence of abrasive cleaning i wouldn't buy it at all.
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