Is this Machine Doubling?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by CeciliaS81, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. CeciliaS81

    CeciliaS81 Member

    I think it may just be machine doubling but I am new and learning as I go along. Any and all opinions are welcome and appreciated

    Thanks
     

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  3. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    The coin's fields seems suspicious from those photos. Are you certain of it's authenticity?
     
  4. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    post full pictures front and back - of your Morgan Dollar ?
     
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  5. CeciliaS81

    CeciliaS81 Member

    I got it off of Ebay a few months back not 100 % sure on authenticity
     
  6. CeciliaS81

    CeciliaS81 Member

    The weight is 26.5
     

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  7. CeciliaS81

    CeciliaS81 Member

    it does not stick to a magnet
     
  8. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    I don't know, I'm sure that someone has a better answer! It is interesting that the doubling appears on both sides of some of the letters.
     
  9. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Authentic? Maybe not. Doubled? Maybe so, maybe not. Regardless, that doesn't stop the ideologues from giving it a VAM number. :bag:
     
  10. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    The actual weight of a Morgan is 26.73 so it's within an allowable range to pass that test. However that doesn't mean that it could not be a fake. Chinese counterfeiters get clever. I am not good at detecting counterfeit Morgans but I do know what they should weigh. Hopefully someone else with more knoweledge will weight in. What does the rim look like? Sometimes i know you can see a casting line where it was in a mold if it is a fake.
     
  11. bear32211

    bear32211 Still Learning

    I hope it's just the angle that the picture was taken at, but the texture of the surface looks extremely rough. Would like to see more pictures with variable lighting.
    'messydesk', you out there ?
     
  12. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    It certainly looks "off" to me, but I'm no expert so I hope someone that is will be able to give some input.
     
  13. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    This one below is fake, weighs what it should. Gotta be extra careful when buying Morgans and Trade dolars sight unseen.
    Screenshot_2018-11-25-08-22-13~2.png Screenshot_2018-11-25-08-22-30~3.png

    And this one is fake, weighs what it should, and is 90% silver!!!
    Screenshot_2018-11-25-08-18-29~2.png Screenshot_2018-11-25-08-18-04~3.png
     
  14. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    JCro, how did you determine these were fake?
     
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  15. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    A friend of mine owns a Fisherscope XAN machine to check if they were silver and not just silver plated, and they're both counterfeit because of the terribly mushy details and issues with the lettering and numbering
     
  16. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Thanks.
    The first I can get done at my friendly neighborhood gold and silver buyer.
    The second takes more knowledge/experience than I currently have.

    I have some early French Indo-China 1 Piastres that are supposed to be silver.
    I'm confidant of the ones I bought from reputable dealers. The others...not so much.
    These are faked very often. One of my Piastres has chop marks.

    I've always wanted a U.S. Trade dollar, but very expensive. The Piastres are the French trade dollar of the time. Recently purchased a Brittania trade dollar, though a new version, not an original old one.

    I have a 1914 Chinese Fat Man, but I need to confirm if genuine.

    I need some 8 Reales, preferably with chop marks.

    I've been wanting to start a collection of Trade Dollars. U.S. and world wide.
    Could be an expensive collection.
     
  17. CeciliaS81

    CeciliaS81 Member

    Those are some pretty real looking fakes wow no I am suspicious of mine also being a fake. Dang it I am going to get some better pictures up shortly
     
  18. CeciliaS81

    CeciliaS81 Member

    Are there any tests I can run at home to help find out if it is authentic or not
     
  19. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Cecilia , do you have a silver/gold test kit?
    With a touchstone and various solutions of acid?

    or find a pawnshop or Gold and Silver buyer who has an X-ray machine.They may test it for free, or charge something.

    I'm sure more experienced members will have more, and better, ideas.
     
  20. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    Unfortunately the Chinese are forging the coins on 90% silver for some of the scarcer dates, but this one has the appearance of a copy, so I doubt it is silver unless real.

    This website is very intense in information on Morgans and Peace dollars, but you may have t use a lot of time. You can search for matching markers which are given VAM designation, but each year/mint might have large numbers . here is a link to 1883P. You can click on the camera image to see photos.

    http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1883-P_VAMs
     
  21. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    I noticed the stars were very mushy, which as I understand it indicates a fake. And the suggestion to take it to a shop looking for gold and silver to test it sounds like a good idea.
     
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