Is this coin (RCV I#303, RSC#33) a forgery?

This one line sums up the situation in so very many cases. When we try to get something for 'nothing', we can expect to get what we deserve at least part of the time.

As it turned out, this first impression was all we needed to know.

 

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Does Ebay guarantee the refund money or does it have to come from the seller?

I can imagine a scam where they sell 100 cheapo items to get 100% feedback, then sell you one fake ancient for $500, then disappear and start over under another name. Do you still get a refund in this case? What if you pay with PayPal? I never wanted to test the guaranteed eBay refund because of this scenario.

John

 

I am surprised that so many are fooled by con artists on e-bay sites. The old saying goes, if a coin is listed at a unbelieveable cheap price.....its fake. No one is in the business to loose money. There are some legitimate dealers that sell great coins on e-bay.....but they ask a market value price. I have googled rare coins, e-bay sites come up with a scammer selling a 10K coin for under $500/ photos show the real coin taken from sixbid auction site.

 

I think I would like to know who some of the good eBay sellers are, that would help us new people find a honest source to real coins . Its unfortunate but eBay lets these same people open new sites under different names , most of them probably use the same ip address and they could find some of the scammers by having an ip address warning site for them to stop this . eBay is interested in their bottom line , and let some dealers get away with this type of garbage far too long before anything is done. Go through the eBay resolution process to get your money back , do not threaten negative feedback or it will hurt you more then the joker that sold the coin. If it looks to good to be real then it most likely is something to stay away from.

 

If you want to find out about eBay sellers just search this forum for the word "eBay" and you'll find plenty of past discussions.

 

I wouldn't be so quick to characterize the person who is conned as being greedy. If you're a newcomer to ancient coins, you typically have no frame of reference for whether or not a coin's asking price is a good value, and especially if the coin looks attractive to your eye, you're more likely to make an impulse buy without doing any research or asking for advice.

Surely there are some buyers who believe they're getting something for nothing, and there is a segment of buyers who are greedy and think they're taking advantage of the seller's naïveté or stupidity. But I'll bet these latter buyers are well outnumbered by the gullible, inexperienced newcomers who are successfully conned by the seller.

On a broader note, I'm continually bewildered by how easy it is to con the general public into believing things that are simply not true, or highly unlikely to be true; current politics is the best example of this phenomenon. It's unfortunate that so many people lack the ability or patience to think critically, especially with the Internet as a resource, but con men rely on their personal ability to make absurd assertions that are unquestioningly accepted by their audience, and bogus ancient coin sellers are no different.

 

That might be so however in the case I spoke about the seller insisted that I return the "coin" and pay for the postage as some sellers say the buyer is responsible for the return postage. I had already left negative feedback and he asked me to change it to positive and he would send me another real coin he found because he wanted satisfied customers. (Found out this is also a standard ploy by these thieves). So I just asked him to refund the return postage- to even up the money score and I would be satisfied. He did send me the refund of the return postage to add to the original cost refund he had already given me. My own take is that EBay does not do enough to stop this %$$& so sometimes we need to take matters into our own hands as much as we are able.

 

I am just pointing out facts, proven by quite a few studies. It may sound harsh, but facts are facts. Con men exploit a persons greed.

btw The OP was hoping to get something for nothing. He/She is pretty clear about that.

 

People fall into that trap in all kinds of situations. Up here in Orleans, snow contractors charge $500 @ driveway, which is market price. Three years ago a new outfit ran ads that they ONLY charged 250/ so they signed up 50K clients. One catch, they wanted the money up front. Well, the story ended badly. Once they got their money, they never where heard from again. But they made a killing on the fact that all of their signed up clients figured they scored a killer deal on a dumb contractor, who turned out to be a clever fox. Fact is, anyone charging $250 is going to be bankrupt at Winters end. I myself charge fair rates for lawn/garden services, make really good money since I am fast/ efficient and do quality work.

 

I suppose it boils down to a gullibility vs. greediness statistic: are more people greedy than gullible, or vice versa? Or possibly are these two sides of the same coin?

As for the assertion "...facts, proven by quite a few studies," you're not trying to con me, are you? ;-)

Yes, that's a joke.