Is this ancient, hobo, fake... ??

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Phil409, Dec 6, 2023.

  1. Phil409

    Phil409 New Member

    As the title says - I'm trying to discern the nature, origin, and authenticity of this coin I was given. I've been directed here from the Introductions thread. I've done a fair amount of research and it obviously resembles something of old Mediterranean origin, but I am leaning towards it being some kind of knockoff or hobo/ hobby coin. IMG_8308.PNG IMG_8311.PNG

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  3. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    It looks like a crude handmade job IMO. Only the person who made it would know what it means.
     
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  4. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Well-Known Member

    What he said.
     
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  5. Phil409

    Phil409 New Member

    It is definitely very ugly. I could only find a closeness to what looks like a "bull" on the reverse; Turns out what I thought looked "close" (read: not even close) to it was the Kymes Cup on the reverse of other coins from that era. It does not resemble the jug/ cup, though; it resembles some kind of funky livestock. The poor obverse looks like an alien being with a crown on its head... strange, indeed.

    I think for now I'm going to continue in my assumption that it's some kind of fake or as you said homemade/ handmade something or other... I'll throw it on my buddy's Sigma to see if it reads silver or what. It's an odd weight in hand.

    Thanks for the input!
     
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  6. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    It looks like someone tried to recreate a cows skull
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  7. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    The letters that are stamped into it appear to be from a metal hand punch. That means that this is most likely modern.

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  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Creator of the OP ....whatever it may be called, was close to a bucranium
    TROAS ASSOS.jpg
    TROAS, ASSOS
    AE10
    OBVERSE: Helmeted head of Athena left
    REVERSE: AΣ-ΣI, Bucranium
    Struck at Assos 400-300 BC
    1.18 g, 10.2 mm
    SNG Cop 241; BMC 8
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    PHILIP II
    AE17
    OBVERSE: Apollo facing right with tania binding hair
    REVERSE: Youth naked on horseback - Filippos (in Greek) above, symbol -bucranium (skull of an ox) - underneath.
    Struck at Macedonia 359-336 BC
    6g, 17mm
    SNG ANS #850-851; Le Rider #24; Sear 6698v; Bellinger 20
     
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  9. Phil409

    Phil409 New Member


    That looks like the closest actual coin to what they were attempting to imitate, or recreate... certainly not a good copy but interesting nonetheless. Thanks to you and all for the feedback! Another interesting one for the top drawer!
     
  10. Phil409

    Phil409 New Member

    I thought this as well, so I got a bit closer, and realized the letters are actually raised/ extruded (relieved?)... they still appear odd on this particular piece, but I'm uploading some better photos here since my curiosity is piqued...
     

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  11. Phil409

    Phil409 New Member


    Replying to my original post with better photos... I don't see a way to edit it.
     

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  12. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    Huh. That means that it would have had to have been struck with dies. Drop the coin on a hard surface, do you hear a high ping or more of a low thud?
     
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  13. Phil409

    Phil409 New Member

    No ping whatsoever. Thud, and bounces pretty high off my desk from a dead drop. Doesn't show silver as low as I can get it on the Sigma.
     
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  14. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    My best guess is that the coin is just a novelty that someone made in their garage. A determined person can fairly easily take two cylinders of steel and crudely carve a design into it. Then those dies were used to strike the coin.
     
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  15. Phil409

    Phil409 New Member

    That certainly seems to be a possibility. It's such an awful looking character and the horned creature is very crude. What a horrendous thing! :yuck:
     
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  16. TheNickelGuy

    TheNickelGuy Yippie I Oh

    I think I saw that on a special episode of "Ancient Aliens".
     
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  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I think that I am in on the hobo theory. If it is, it's fairly well done.
    Much better pics Phil.
     
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