Is this an actual 1804 Large cent?

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  1. goldrealmoney79

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  3. Randy Abercrombie

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    I think it is a good candidate. There was a large fraction used in 1803 and 1804 and that is certainly a large fraction. I don’t know enough diagnostics to narrow it down from there. But it would either be an 1803 or 1804.
     
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  4. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Seller does have 100% feedback but with that much wear and uncertainty i wouldn't go for it unless certified and proven to be an 1804.It looks real to me is it an 1804?i don't know.
     
  5. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    It looks like the proper reverse to me. It is not S-266c, but could be S-266a or S-266b. I would have to eliminate all others, but it could be done . It needs the big Discount though.

    Obverse still has a couple of markers which match. Clash under chin and proper position of ER. These are not diagnostic for confirmation, but good diagnostics to rebut.
     
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  6. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Reverse looks off to my eyes:D...

    I could be wrong.

    1804 rev.jpg
     

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  7. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The only thing that appears off to me is the outer berry stem under R and that appears to be from PMD.

    It's definitely at the edge of ID. I would not be surprised if anybody making a call today making a different call in six months.

    It's like my "1800 NC-2" that I call my half NC. Sometimes yes sometimes maybe, but nothing that indicated no.
     
  8. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    GONE! Just like the squirrel running though the front door of Sparky’s house in “National Lampoon’ Christmas Vacation.”

    I image that this eBay offering was not good.
     
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  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    As a buy-it-now, it may have simply been sold; however, the photo doesn't usually get taken down that quickly after a sale.

    I'd prefer to think it was removed for uncertainty. I've made purchases from this seller before with no problem.
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It only disappears completely like that when eBay pulls it. If the seller ends it it still stays visible.

    And if the worn reverse that Jack Young posted is from the listing, then it was an 1804. There are only 6 large fraction reverses, 4 in 03, 1 in 04,and 1 in 07. On only one of those is the upper inner right berry just about at the center of the E in ONE. That's on the 1804. The 1803 S-257 comes the closest, but that reverse has six berries on the left branch. All the others have the berry close to the top edge of the E.
     
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  11. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    I could likely tell for sure if there were good obv/rev images.
     
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  12. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    They actually come a lot worse. Here is my candidate for "World's Worst 1804 Cent" 1804 S-266 Worlds Worst.jpg
     
  13. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    The division line between 1 and 100 is shorter on the OP’s coin than on Jack’s. On Jack’s coin the line starts at the upper point of the 1. On the OP’s coin it starts farther to the center. The left third berry from the top has no stem as compared to Jack’s post. I’m not sure if the berry is a reliable diagnostic or from circulation. How many reverse dies were used? Could Jack have a different die?
     
  14. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

  15. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Bow is different
     
  16. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Yes. Think that is the worst. Can’t anyone help you give that coin some luv
     
  17. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I think the choice is between an Authentic 1804, new discovery and a counterfeit. I believe there is sufficient detail to eliminate all other known candidates since the 1804 Reverse is not used on any other known variety.

    I see a couple of things which point to authentic or high end counterfeit (Transfer Die). A flaw left of C(E) and a break/clash/flaw from the outer left stem toward the U on both coins.

    Other differences can be accounted for by wear, PMD or die deterioration. Figuring out which is and which isn't is the art.
     
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