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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2635469, member: 56859"]That's a very nice example of the type! Beautiful portrait, well-centered, lovely toning.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Hmm, interesting! The issue has such a vast array of control marks, with (per Crawford) 144 obverse and 175 reverse dies. Some of his control mark descriptions leave room for other interpretations and this seems to be one of them.</p><p><br /></p><p>Have you looked through table XLIII in Crawford to see which pair you think best matches your coin? Unlike some control marks, he doesn't have line drawings for these. I suspect Crawford would call yours reverse die #9 and he calls the control mark a leaf. He noted five obverse die pairings for reverse #9 and of those five, yours could only be what he calls a pennant (obverse die #13) or a key (obverse die #15). Maybe it's none of these and I overlooked a better match, or maybe this pairing isn't in Crawford?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Okay <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Silphium plants; one on an authentic ancient coin and one on a historic electrotype of a BM coin:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.wixstatic.com%2Fmedia%2Fae43f8_aa9fb54868fa49aaa29fcbae56aafc25.jpg_srb_p_850_424_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srb&hash=955b5f5897a6db1634557af6ba8e1231" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>KYRENAIKA, Barke</b></p><p>480-450 BCE</p><p>AR hemidrachm, 13 mm, 1.57 gm</p><p>Obv: silphium plant</p><p>Rev: head of Zeus Ammon right within linear frame, B A P K around</p><p>Ref: Müller MAA 301. Very rare.</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-kyrenaikas-silphium-plant.245537/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-kyrenaikas-silphium-plant.245537/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-kyrenaikas-silphium-plant.245537/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/readyelectrotype-rt-jpg.463688/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>KYRENAIKA, Kyrene</b></p><p><b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/sometimes-a-copy-will-have-to-suffice.272376/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/sometimes-a-copy-will-have-to-suffice.272376/">modern copy by electrotypist Robert Ready</a></b></p><p><b>host coin, c. 410-400 BCE, acquired by the British Museum in 1872</b></p><p>AR "tetradrachm", 27 mm, 16.64 gm</p><p>Obv: Bearded head of Zeus-Ammon, wearing tainia with uraeus-like ornament at forehead, facing slightly left within laurel wreath</p><p>Rev: silphium plant; K V P A N A (split between fields, retrograde K)</p><p>Edge: initials R R</p><p>Ref: BMC 77 (host coin); B.V. Head. <i>A guide to the principal coins of the Greeks, from circ. 700 B.C. to A.D. 270</i>. London. 1965 pl. 20, 61 (host coin); host coin BM accession number 1872,0709.361; B.V. Head. <i>A Guide to the Select Greek and Roman Coins Exhibited in Electrotype</i>, London. 1880. Period III C #44.</p><p><br /></p><p>And a different Frugi, relative of the OP coin's Frugi?</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/frugi-mercury-cr418-2b-rted-jpg.505197/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-different-frugi.279241/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-different-frugi.279241/">ROMAN REPUBLIC, M. Piso M.f. Frugi</a></b></p><p>58 BCE (redated from Crawford's 61 BCE by Hersh and Walker, 1984)</p><p>AR denarius, 20 mm, 3.94 gm</p><p>Obv: terminal bust of Mercury right, wearing winged diadem; calix below chin; to left, star above wreath; dotted border</p><p>Rev: M·PISO·M·F / FRVGI above secespita (sacrificial knife) and patera; all within laurel wreath</p><p>Ref: Crawford 418/2b; Sydenham 825; Calpurnia 23</p><p><i>formerly slabbed, NGC XF, 4/5 strike, 4/5 surface</i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2635469, member: 56859"]That's a very nice example of the type! Beautiful portrait, well-centered, lovely toning. Hmm, interesting! The issue has such a vast array of control marks, with (per Crawford) 144 obverse and 175 reverse dies. Some of his control mark descriptions leave room for other interpretations and this seems to be one of them. Have you looked through table XLIII in Crawford to see which pair you think best matches your coin? Unlike some control marks, he doesn't have line drawings for these. I suspect Crawford would call yours reverse die #9 and he calls the control mark a leaf. He noted five obverse die pairings for reverse #9 and of those five, yours could only be what he calls a pennant (obverse die #13) or a key (obverse die #15). Maybe it's none of these and I overlooked a better match, or maybe this pairing isn't in Crawford? Okay :D Silphium plants; one on an authentic ancient coin and one on a historic electrotype of a BM coin: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.wixstatic.com%2Fmedia%2Fae43f8_aa9fb54868fa49aaa29fcbae56aafc25.jpg_srb_p_850_424_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srb&hash=955b5f5897a6db1634557af6ba8e1231[/IMG] [B]KYRENAIKA, Barke[/B] 480-450 BCE AR hemidrachm, 13 mm, 1.57 gm Obv: silphium plant Rev: head of Zeus Ammon right within linear frame, B A P K around Ref: Müller MAA 301. Very rare. [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-kyrenaikas-silphium-plant.245537/[/url] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/readyelectrotype-rt-jpg.463688/[/IMG] [B]KYRENAIKA, Kyrene [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/sometimes-a-copy-will-have-to-suffice.272376/']modern copy by electrotypist Robert Ready[/URL] host coin, c. 410-400 BCE, acquired by the British Museum in 1872[/B] AR "tetradrachm", 27 mm, 16.64 gm Obv: Bearded head of Zeus-Ammon, wearing tainia with uraeus-like ornament at forehead, facing slightly left within laurel wreath Rev: silphium plant; K V P A N A (split between fields, retrograde K) Edge: initials R R Ref: BMC 77 (host coin); B.V. Head. [I]A guide to the principal coins of the Greeks, from circ. 700 B.C. to A.D. 270[/I]. London. 1965 pl. 20, 61 (host coin); host coin BM accession number 1872,0709.361; B.V. Head. [I]A Guide to the Select Greek and Roman Coins Exhibited in Electrotype[/I], London. 1880. Period III C #44. And a different Frugi, relative of the OP coin's Frugi? [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/frugi-mercury-cr418-2b-rted-jpg.505197/[/IMG] [B][URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-different-frugi.279241/']ROMAN REPUBLIC, M. Piso M.f. Frugi[/URL][/B] 58 BCE (redated from Crawford's 61 BCE by Hersh and Walker, 1984) AR denarius, 20 mm, 3.94 gm Obv: terminal bust of Mercury right, wearing winged diadem; calix below chin; to left, star above wreath; dotted border Rev: M·PISO·M·F / FRVGI above secespita (sacrificial knife) and patera; all within laurel wreath Ref: Crawford 418/2b; Sydenham 825; Calpurnia 23 [I]formerly slabbed, NGC XF, 4/5 strike, 4/5 surface[/I][/QUOTE]
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