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<p>[QUOTE="hontonai, post: 1363230, member: 4703"]Cho-gin are pieces of silver produced during the Tokugawa Shogunate from approximately 1600-1865. There are many pictured in the Japanese Numismatic Dealers Assn. catalog with round stampings, but none exactly matching yours, which doesn't really mean much regarding genuineness. </p><p><br /></p><p>Munro in <i>Coins of Japan</i>, the 1904 work on Japanese coinage and its history which is the earliest comprehensive treatise on the subject published in English, describes them as "long slabs" of silver, which were customarily wrapped with mame-gin, the so-called silver "bean money" to equalize the silver weight. Neither Munro nor any subsequent English language author I am aware of, directly explains the stampings, but considering the source of the pieces (which were technically not "money" issued for circulation) they are probably similar in purpose to the chopmarks found on western silver which circulated in Asia - certification of weight. However, the stampings were probably done by the issuer, not one or more merchants through whose hands it passed.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are differences between the photos in the JNDA catalog and the plates in <i>Coins of Japan</i>, demonstrating that neither has a complete depiction of such pieces.</p><p><br /></p><p>The size of your piece is at the low end of the range of genuine cho-gin. The most similar one pictured by the JNDA is a Hoei Mitsu-ho piece from 1710-11, which is significantly longer.</p><p><br /></p><p>If your piece is genuine, I would conservatively value it at $2,500 in the condition pictured.</p><p><br /></p><p>I wouldn't trust any US slabber's opinion on genuineness, and I don't know of anyone outside of Japan capable of validating it.</p><p><br /></p><p>If it were mine, I would definitely take it with me on my next trip to Japan, and have it looked at by two or three specific dealers in Tokyo and Osaka.</p><p><br /></p><p>Do you know anything more about its origin than you posted?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="hontonai, post: 1363230, member: 4703"]Cho-gin are pieces of silver produced during the Tokugawa Shogunate from approximately 1600-1865. There are many pictured in the Japanese Numismatic Dealers Assn. catalog with round stampings, but none exactly matching yours, which doesn't really mean much regarding genuineness. Munro in [i]Coins of Japan[/i], the 1904 work on Japanese coinage and its history which is the earliest comprehensive treatise on the subject published in English, describes them as "long slabs" of silver, which were customarily wrapped with mame-gin, the so-called silver "bean money" to equalize the silver weight. Neither Munro nor any subsequent English language author I am aware of, directly explains the stampings, but considering the source of the pieces (which were technically not "money" issued for circulation) they are probably similar in purpose to the chopmarks found on western silver which circulated in Asia - certification of weight. However, the stampings were probably done by the issuer, not one or more merchants through whose hands it passed. There are differences between the photos in the JNDA catalog and the plates in [i]Coins of Japan[/i], demonstrating that neither has a complete depiction of such pieces. The size of your piece is at the low end of the range of genuine cho-gin. The most similar one pictured by the JNDA is a Hoei Mitsu-ho piece from 1710-11, which is significantly longer. If your piece is genuine, I would conservatively value it at $2,500 in the condition pictured. I wouldn't trust any US slabber's opinion on genuineness, and I don't know of anyone outside of Japan capable of validating it. If it were mine, I would definitely take it with me on my next trip to Japan, and have it looked at by two or three specific dealers in Tokyo and Osaka. Do you know anything more about its origin than you posted?[/QUOTE]
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