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<p>[QUOTE="DiomedesofArgos, post: 5530601, member: 115035"]The coin in question:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240730[/ATTACH]</p><p>was listed as:</p><p><br /></p><p>Byzantine</p><p>John VIII Palaeologus, 1425-1448. Follaro (Bronze, 14.5 mm, 0.48 g, 5 h), Constantinople. IωΑ - ΔΕC Bust of emperor facing, bearded, wearing stemma and maniakon. Rev. Cross with a star in each angle. DOC 1394-5. LPC p. 174, 4. PCPC 351. SB 2567. Rare. Dark brown patina. Very fine.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>However, I can't see the left, bottom letter as anything but an M. The matter is further complicated, because finding a picture of a half decent John Follaro is nigh impossible. DOC has two (as John VII), but the resolution is too low for me to make anything of it. The website does not seem to have newer, high quality pictures yet. My copy of Sear also has a pic with too low a resolution to be useful. No luck with the British Museum. Zeno has two examples, one listed as John VIII and one as VII:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240737[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240738[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Labarum has this example:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240739[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>and in ACSearch, this example:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240740[/ATTACH]</p><p>Finally, the drawing from Bendall's LPC, where he lists the legend as, "ΙωΑ-Δες". I will also include his image of John VIII's Sixteeth Hyperpyron where he lists the legend as "ΝΑωΙ-Δεςπ" since DOC lists this legend as being on the Follaro in disagreement with Bendall and Sear. <b>So, basically, if this were a John coin, where I see an M, it could also be "ς" or "π" if it's John.</b></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240747[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240748[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, of course, let's look at some Manuel coins, which are more plentiful:</p><p><br /></p><p>From Zeno:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240749[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240754[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1240755[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>To be continued as I've reached my picture limit for this post...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DiomedesofArgos, post: 5530601, member: 115035"]The coin in question: [ATTACH=full]1240730[/ATTACH] was listed as: Byzantine John VIII Palaeologus, 1425-1448. Follaro (Bronze, 14.5 mm, 0.48 g, 5 h), Constantinople. IωΑ - ΔΕC Bust of emperor facing, bearded, wearing stemma and maniakon. Rev. Cross with a star in each angle. DOC 1394-5. LPC p. 174, 4. PCPC 351. SB 2567. Rare. Dark brown patina. Very fine. However, I can't see the left, bottom letter as anything but an M. The matter is further complicated, because finding a picture of a half decent John Follaro is nigh impossible. DOC has two (as John VII), but the resolution is too low for me to make anything of it. The website does not seem to have newer, high quality pictures yet. My copy of Sear also has a pic with too low a resolution to be useful. No luck with the British Museum. Zeno has two examples, one listed as John VIII and one as VII: [ATTACH=full]1240737[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1240738[/ATTACH] Labarum has this example: [ATTACH=full]1240739[/ATTACH] and in ACSearch, this example: [ATTACH=full]1240740[/ATTACH] Finally, the drawing from Bendall's LPC, where he lists the legend as, "ΙωΑ-Δες". I will also include his image of John VIII's Sixteeth Hyperpyron where he lists the legend as "ΝΑωΙ-Δεςπ" since DOC lists this legend as being on the Follaro in disagreement with Bendall and Sear. [B]So, basically, if this were a John coin, where I see an M, it could also be "ς" or "π" if it's John.[/B] [ATTACH=full]1240747[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1240748[/ATTACH] Finally, of course, let's look at some Manuel coins, which are more plentiful: From Zeno: [ATTACH=full]1240749[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1240754[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1240755[/ATTACH] To be continued as I've reached my picture limit for this post...[/QUOTE]
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