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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Pickin and Grinin, post: 3626896, member: 73995&quot;]Actually the above photos describe what Die deterioration looks like.</p><p>I challenge you to start looking at die states so that you learn what is early =EDS,&nbsp; EMDS, MDS, MLDS, and finally what a LDS looks like. This will help you in furthering your knowledge.</p><p>Think Proof surfaces and then think of flow lines the cupping of the rim area. Strikes that do not look sharp and then deformation of the devices. This is a process that is used when determining what kind of doubling do I have.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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