Is this a contemporary forgery or 18th Century gaming token.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Kernow, Sep 15, 2020.

  1. Kernow

    Kernow New Member

    I've just acquired this on a bit of a whim, as I do sometimes with coins, however, I'm having difficulty in pinning down exactly what it is. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Screenshot_20200915-193208.jpg Screenshot_20200915-190315.jpg
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  3. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    I'm going to go with contemporary 18th Century gaming token. From looking at the portrait alone, it is clear to me that this object or token was not meant to try and fool the populous.

    And the date of what looks like 1773 is another giveaway that it was not meant to be used in circulation as Queen Anne died nearly 60 years prior.
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  4. Kernow

    Kernow New Member

    Thank you for your swift answer. I tend to agree with you. When I saw it this was my first thought. What attracted me was that it wasn't the usual spade guinea gaming token and also the fantastic condition it is in. I've spent quite a while online this evening trying to track down a similar example but haven't managed to find another like it.
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I'd say poor quality modern copy (pre 1973)
  6. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    I don’t think it’s early. Looks like a 20th c production
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  7. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    Yes, a vintage gaming counter, late 18th century. Compare this group from a 2016 DNW auction (hammer £200):

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  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    But htose from the DNW auction are better overall quality than the one he posted, which is why I suspect it is a much more recent "copy".
  9. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Agreed totally
  10. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    I vote modern (circa 1960's or 70's) fantasy replica.
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  11. Bayern

    Bayern Active Member

    Yes, I agree. Probably very late 20th century, or even up to current date. Definitely not contemporary to 18th century production.
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  12. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    I too agree on the gambling token. Incidentally the the October issue of The Numismatist (ANA magazine) has a well done article of concerning gambling tokens.
  13. Bayern

    Bayern Active Member

    The group you have posted appear to all be contemporary to the late 18th century, but the OP's item is a more recently made product- most likely produced within the last 50 years, as has already been stated by several of us here. I just wanted to go into a little more detail with this post. If you look closely at the items in your picture and compare to the item in question you will notice a marked difference in design quality. Although some of the counters in your photo are not as well executed as others, they still all are superior in overall quality to the op's item. I have seen many modern copies of world coins, tokens, u.s. coins, etc., that all have this same look to them. That look consisting of a very inferior design quality, an artificial colouration and odd toning, often struck on a poor quality "pot metal" planchet, that often has portions of the base metal showing through a poor quality metal plating. Hope my post was helpful in what to look for to determine real vs. fake.
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