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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Hobo, post: 361572, member: 11521&quot;]This coin appears to be a 1909-D instead of a 1909 as stated in the auction. I don&#039;t see any of the markers noted in Fivaz&#039;s book for the &#039;09 or &#039;09-D. I see nothing to indicate that this coin is anything other than genuine. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The depressions you see on the coin appear to be contact marks. There are tons of marks on this coin which would be expected for a former jewelry piece.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The depressions noted by Fivaz (or any other counterfeit detection guide) are &quot;repeating depressions&quot; that are found on every counterfeit coin produced by particular counterfeit dies. Contact marks that existed on the host coin were picked up when the counterfeit dies were made and these marks were reproduced on every coin made by those dies. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Repeating depressions typically will have rounded edges and will be the same color and luster as the surrounding fields. An actual contact mark is a scratch or gouge into the metal and will have sharp edges and will be shiny and will stand out from the surrounding areas. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>No offense but when looking for counterfeit coins &quot;a little knowledge can be dangerous&quot;. A counterfeit detection guide like Fivaz&#039;s is great but I recommend you educate yourself on counterfeit detection a bit further. When you learn how different counterfeit dies are made and how counterfeit coins are struck (or cast) you will better understand what the markers mean and don&#039;t mean. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I took Detecting Counterfeit &amp; Altered Coins at an ANA Summer Seminar and learned a great deal. One thing the instructors told us was that after that course almost every coin would look like a counterfeit to us until we looked at enough coins to gain the experience needed to go along with our newly-acquired knowledge. To an extent I think that is true.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>JP Martin (one of the instructors in my Counterfeit Detection course and a senior grader at ANACS) has an excellent DVD entitled <i>Detecting Counterfeit and Altered US Coins.</i> While this is no substitute for the 4 1/2 day course it is a great primer and I would highly recommend it for anyone who would like to learn some basic counterfeit detection skills. (It is available for $42.95 from ANA. I also see it occasionally on eBay.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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