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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1733511, member: 66"]Sorry Tim but calling the Secret Service won't do any good unless the seller is physically located in the US. Our laws don't apply in China and what they are doing is not illegal there. Even shipping them to the US isn't illegal for them, the crime is committed by the person in the US that orders them an how are they going to know who placed an order? (Ask the NSA?) About the only way it could be cracked down on would be the customs bureau. Have them confiscate any and all unmarked copies that enter the country.</p><p><br /></p><p>But there are a couple of problems with that. This means that every package that comes into the country, either by freight or by mail, will have to be opened and inspected and if the customs inspector thinks they might be fakes they are confiscated. Problem, how many customs inspectors are qualified to be able to identify fakes from real coins for all of the different coins that have been made in the last 2700 years. Probably not many. So what do they do? They could either just let everything through, which is no better than what we have now, or they could err on the side of caution and confiscate anything they don't recognize. So they confiscate almost everything. Can you imagine what it will do to the mail when every package from outside the country has to be opened and inspected? Or when most of the coins purchased from outside the country are confiscated because they MIGHT be fake? Oh don't worry you can appeal, go to court, prove they are real and get them back. Should only take a couple years.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm not sure how you could fix this problem. You really need to crack down on those people ordering them and bringing them in (but how do you find them), and/or on those people reselling them in this country. (Now you have to prove that they knew they were fake.) Going after the resellers would probably be the best thing. Find someone selling a fake, confiscate ALL of their coins until you can determine which are real and which are fake. If most or all of them are fake you have pretty good evidence that they are knowingly selling fakes. It would also put the fear into those "shady" dealers that sell both real and fakes and claim ignorance. The problem is some legitimate dealers could get shut down and put out of business just because a fake gets past them.</p><p><br /></p><p>I hate to say it but we might have to go like Canada did, repeal the HPA, and simply make all fakes and/or copies illegal whether they are marked or not.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1733511, member: 66"]Sorry Tim but calling the Secret Service won't do any good unless the seller is physically located in the US. Our laws don't apply in China and what they are doing is not illegal there. Even shipping them to the US isn't illegal for them, the crime is committed by the person in the US that orders them an how are they going to know who placed an order? (Ask the NSA?) About the only way it could be cracked down on would be the customs bureau. Have them confiscate any and all unmarked copies that enter the country. But there are a couple of problems with that. This means that every package that comes into the country, either by freight or by mail, will have to be opened and inspected and if the customs inspector thinks they might be fakes they are confiscated. Problem, how many customs inspectors are qualified to be able to identify fakes from real coins for all of the different coins that have been made in the last 2700 years. Probably not many. So what do they do? They could either just let everything through, which is no better than what we have now, or they could err on the side of caution and confiscate anything they don't recognize. So they confiscate almost everything. Can you imagine what it will do to the mail when every package from outside the country has to be opened and inspected? Or when most of the coins purchased from outside the country are confiscated because they MIGHT be fake? Oh don't worry you can appeal, go to court, prove they are real and get them back. Should only take a couple years. I'm not sure how you could fix this problem. You really need to crack down on those people ordering them and bringing them in (but how do you find them), and/or on those people reselling them in this country. (Now you have to prove that they knew they were fake.) Going after the resellers would probably be the best thing. Find someone selling a fake, confiscate ALL of their coins until you can determine which are real and which are fake. If most or all of them are fake you have pretty good evidence that they are knowingly selling fakes. It would also put the fear into those "shady" dealers that sell both real and fakes and claim ignorance. The problem is some legitimate dealers could get shut down and put out of business just because a fake gets past them. I hate to say it but we might have to go like Canada did, repeal the HPA, and simply make all fakes and/or copies illegal whether they are marked or not.[/QUOTE]
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