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<p>[QUOTE="lonegunlawyer, post: 1535148, member: 40282"]Wow! you start off by hammering me and never let up. I am not sure if you had a bad day, however, let us dissect your bald and self-serving argument.</p><p><br /></p><p>First, you stated "[p]eople are pulling 40% halves now not because silver has caught up with gold, it's because silver has gone up, period." That statement is only true in a very shallow sense (at least my example gave context for people to infer from). Assuming more people have started pulling more of the subject coins from circulation it is because silver's melt price equals or exceeds the costs of extracting the silver content from said coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, never say "never." Ha ha ha ha, I just used the word never after counseling not to say it. Oops, I did it again. Also, back in 1932, I am sure people thought the 1932D quarter would be available in quantity and good condition years into the future. However, people ignored the coin and only years later realized a shortage of really nice 1932D quarters because no one save them. PCGS estimates a MS66 1932D at $143,000.00 compared to $1,150.00 for a 1932P of same grade). In fact, according to PCGS, if you wanted to purchase a complete set of date and Mints for silver quarters in MS66, it would cost approximately $191,000.00. That would be $143,000.00 for the 1932D and $48,000.00 for the rest (how many would be the rest - it depends, but it would be safe to say 95).</p><p><br /></p><p>Third, "[m]ost primary accounts." What are they? Do not go after me with bald self serving statements like "[m]ost primary accounts." They do nothing for your credibility. Also, you state "the 1980's silver spike." The spike you refer to occurred from approximately 1980-81. Other minor spikes occurred in approximately 1983 and 1987.</p><p><br /></p><p>I would agree that Franklin halves were hardest hit by refiners during said peaks and perhaps they are one of the easiest sets to complete. However, approximately 30 years have passed since those times in the 1980's. Status of Franklin halves can be more accurately evaluated. Let us wait 25-30 years before using the word, well, you know which word.</p><p><br /></p><p>Fourth, you stated "the [Kennedy] 40% halves never circulated like Franklins did: The half dollar was already an unpopular coin to use in commerce, the Kennedy design was incredibly popular as a keepsake." What is your foundation for that? I do not think a statement like that can be taken as common knowledge, even among collectors in general.</p><p><br /></p><p>Fifth, you stated "the silver value of the coin was above face value by 1974 (based on yearly averages) and never went back." This statement contradicts your first statement. Therefore, you must no believe "because silver has gone up, period." cannot be the whole answer, period. Also, I am assuming your yearly averages are isolated by year and not combined from 1974-2012.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am done.</p><p><br /></p><p>DO NOT EVER GO AFTER ME AGAIN LIKE THAT, PERIOD.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lonegunlawyer, post: 1535148, member: 40282"]Wow! you start off by hammering me and never let up. I am not sure if you had a bad day, however, let us dissect your bald and self-serving argument. First, you stated "[p]eople are pulling 40% halves now not because silver has caught up with gold, it's because silver has gone up, period." That statement is only true in a very shallow sense (at least my example gave context for people to infer from). Assuming more people have started pulling more of the subject coins from circulation it is because silver's melt price equals or exceeds the costs of extracting the silver content from said coins. Second, never say "never." Ha ha ha ha, I just used the word never after counseling not to say it. Oops, I did it again. Also, back in 1932, I am sure people thought the 1932D quarter would be available in quantity and good condition years into the future. However, people ignored the coin and only years later realized a shortage of really nice 1932D quarters because no one save them. PCGS estimates a MS66 1932D at $143,000.00 compared to $1,150.00 for a 1932P of same grade). In fact, according to PCGS, if you wanted to purchase a complete set of date and Mints for silver quarters in MS66, it would cost approximately $191,000.00. That would be $143,000.00 for the 1932D and $48,000.00 for the rest (how many would be the rest - it depends, but it would be safe to say 95). Third, "[m]ost primary accounts." What are they? Do not go after me with bald self serving statements like "[m]ost primary accounts." They do nothing for your credibility. Also, you state "the 1980's silver spike." The spike you refer to occurred from approximately 1980-81. Other minor spikes occurred in approximately 1983 and 1987. I would agree that Franklin halves were hardest hit by refiners during said peaks and perhaps they are one of the easiest sets to complete. However, approximately 30 years have passed since those times in the 1980's. Status of Franklin halves can be more accurately evaluated. Let us wait 25-30 years before using the word, well, you know which word. Fourth, you stated "the [Kennedy] 40% halves never circulated like Franklins did: The half dollar was already an unpopular coin to use in commerce, the Kennedy design was incredibly popular as a keepsake." What is your foundation for that? I do not think a statement like that can be taken as common knowledge, even among collectors in general. Fifth, you stated "the silver value of the coin was above face value by 1974 (based on yearly averages) and never went back." This statement contradicts your first statement. Therefore, you must no believe "because silver has gone up, period." cannot be the whole answer, period. Also, I am assuming your yearly averages are isolated by year and not combined from 1974-2012. I am done. DO NOT EVER GO AFTER ME AGAIN LIKE THAT, PERIOD.[/QUOTE]
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