Is there a way to determine when a coin was graded?

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  1. GoldBug999

    GoldBug999 Well-Known Member

    I'm wondering if there is a source of data regarding when a TPG graded a coin. I'm interested in looking at graded coins, and seeing the grade inflation that has taken place over the last 10 to 20 years.

    Does the certification number give any information about when a coin was graded, or can it be inferred from the certification number?

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  3. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Good question.
     
  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    You need a "spy" on the inside as each TPGS can tell who/when a coin was examined.
     
  5. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    The appearance of the slab will give you some idea. There are a number of websites, including pcgs.com, that depict various slab styles and the dates they were used.

    Cal
     
  6. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    typically, you can figure out an approximate age of the grading by the slab that it's housed in.

    Since the TPGs have changed their cases several times in the past 10 years, it should be relatively simple to determine when the coin was graded by this fact alone.
     
  7. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!


    ....and that's as close as you'll ever come.
     
  8. GoldBug999

    GoldBug999 Well-Known Member

    Got it - here is the link to the PCGS slab history:

    http://www.pcgs.com/holders
     
  9. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Perhaps @Conder101 can help. I think he has a book covering slabs from many of the grading services.

    Chris
     
  10. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I have a sample slabs book and it is most helpful for dating slabs.
     
  11. stoster38

    stoster38 Member

    I think on some of the newer slabs, at least for NGC, you can look up the cert # and maybe it has the date it was graded?
     
  12. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Is there any thing in the barcode that identifies the date?
    Then you could just read a barcode reader using your iPhone/andriod.
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    By knowing the generation of the holder you can tell the rough time frame when the coin was HOLDERED (which mayor may not relate to when it was graded), but there is no way to know precisely when it was graded. The TPG's have that information in their records, but not the ones made publicly available.

    For the longest time the TPG's tried to maintain the fiction that it didn't matter when a coin was graded and that say a 65 from any era was the same as a 65 from any other. My discussion of when various PCGS slabs were produced was probably one of the reasons I was banned from their forum. Then last year they come out with their own "history of PCGS slabs" (More than ten years after I got banned) that shows I was pretty much correct.
     
  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Never knew you were banned over there, Conder. You lend and impart so much knowledge.

    Guess Uncle Adolph was going through another one of his spells.........again.
     
  15. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    No. You *can* read that barcode - I do it all the time. Have a look at what it says. :)
     
  16. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    That's a really good point. A coin can be reslabbed without the cert. no. changing.
    Cal
     
  17. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    No

    NONE of the grading services give this information out. Roughly, the PCGS#s are somewhat sequential, NGCs are not (they print batches of physical invoice paperwork, use other #s for online, etc.). ANACS is somewhat sequential (after the earliest days and with the 9xxxxxx blues before the 4xxxxx yellows).

    By somewhat, I mean that (in general) ANACS/PCGS number 1234567 was graded before 1234568. If you look at the threads people posted about coins they just received back, that gives you a rough timepoint (if somebody wanted to harvest the data).

    If the # & the case/label style are not consistent it's been reholdered.
     
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