Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Stupidcoinguy, Jul 5, 2009.
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This specimen appears to be a die match to your coin:
(Note the reverse legend: PONTIK MAXIM)
A very interesting coin that I, at least, would be happy to own. But if you're looking for a "Tribute penny," then you'd best try again.
One last thing: this isn't really a "Tribute penny." Mark had a tendency to Latinize all denominations for his audience. In the east, Roman silver denarii would not have circulated much at this time. A drachm of some sort is a much more likely candidate.
Edit: Did you say this coin most likely is nearly 2000 years old?
More than most likely. It definitely is 2000 years old. Just not an official product of the Rome mint.
It's actually worth more than that. It's a 2000 year old contemporary counterfeit and there are collectors that would love to have it for their collection but I have no clue what it's actually worth. :goofer:
I collect contemporary ancient counterfeits.
About as funny as modern, high quality counterfeit notes.
My photo of this type was posted above but I want to make clear that this coin is not a counterfeit. Counterfeits are made to fool fools and are aimed at providing something less than an original. This is money of necessity intended to be better than the real thing in a place that could not get enough proper denarii to met demand. When Rome started debasing denarii in or around the time of Nero, it went over like a lead balloon in some places that had come to look upon Roman denarii as trustworthy. The result was some local imitations made not to deceive but to provide circulating silver of the expected purity and weight. Some might call it a token of the class we see later in 'Hard Times' or 'Civil War' but since these were made to circulate outside the Roman Empire, it might be better to call them a Trade coin rather than a token. I suspect they were made in the first century AD but after the time of Tiberius. Your coin has a small chip so it may be a bit under my coin which weighs 3.63g. I have never seen one less than the high 3.5's so I suspect your (with chip) would fall around that weight. I posted my page on it a dozen years ago:
You should sell the coin if you consider it a counterfeit. You were correctly advised that they tend to go for about $100 (again the chip might have some effect). The existing supply of these entered the market about 15 years ago and number somewhere in the range of 2-3 dozen. There are people who appreciate the subject who should be willing to buy it for more than you paid but I can't imagine what kind of 'real' Tribute Penny you will get for $100 these days. There are other Indian copies including gold aureii (which often have twin holes at the top since many of them seemed to have been used as decorative items later on).
I wish you well and especially that you stick with the hobby long enough to appreciate a coin of this nature for what it is. Someone looking for one may have trouble finding it but both supply and demand are very small.
Adoration - I love the Celt Phillip II - The horse is soooooooo Celt.
DC - you rule !!!! Traci
It depends on how you look at it
This exchange exemplifies the reason why it is important to stop and think. When I saw the picture, I knew it was not a genuine Roman coin, but I hesitated to condemn it ... and now I am glad that I did.
We have DOUG SMITH here as a "Junior Member" even though he is senior to most for his long years of study and research. In my book, his opinions get more weight than those of the average collector of ancients.
The digression on Celtics also typifies the danger in quick judgments. Many Celtic coins -- right up to the Middle Ages, in fact -- were not meant to be looked at flat on like a painting. The intended view was EDGE on, obliquely. When you rotate many Celtic coins to see them edge-on, or obliquely, those "picasso" or "modern art" spaces and lines re-orient themselves into lifelike representations. This discovery is the work of Geraldine Chimirri-Russell of the Nickle Arts Museum of the University of Calgary. (I posted in more detail on FORVM under Celtic last December.)
Also note that it is never a real good idea to post to a thread that is five years old. It would have been better to start a new thread with photos and a link to the old thread. I've seen about 20 of these now. They never sell for as much as their rarity might suggest but they still bring more than fakes that are actually fakes. I still believe it is a genuine ancient coin copying the Tiberius denarius but it certainly never was anywhere close to Rome back then! The India attribution is based on where at least some were found. I do not know if all known examples were from that one find or not.
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