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Message:: [QUOTE="Barney McRae, post: 24884755, member: 150594"]See, this right here is why I love this forum. I'm sick of seeing PUP's in VAMS and it turns out to be a different one. This definitely got characteristics of a VAM, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. The lines under the N are glaring and characteristic of a listed VAM, I just don't know which one. Some VAMs are overlapping, and some don't have every symptom of the listed one. Maybe it's different stages of dies breaking down? I dunno. Finding them is tedious but also interesting and fun. Who knows, people discover new ones going forward.  I just got a 1998 O that I pretty much think I nail for attribution. But it was graded by PCGS at 64 with no attribution. I may post that sometime in the coming weeks. Would I be better off taking these questions to VAM World? This probably has little interest here and boring to a lot of people.[/QUOTE]