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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;bhp3rd, post: 701977, member: 16510&quot;]<b>It&#039;s wrong, a lie and a deception and here is why.</b></p><p><br /></p><p>It&#039;s wrong, a lie and a deception and here is why.&nbsp; You guys come on even on this thread we have experienced numimatics that still, to this day thought it was some kind of doublED die - it is not!!!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>1. It&#039;s not (the 1955-P) so called &quot;poor mans doubled/double die&quot; a variety.&nbsp; A die variety can be traced to one die or hubb - this coin cannot.</p><p>2. It&#039;s not even an error because it&#039;s not a one time minting mishap.</p><p>3. It&#039;s not a &quot;double&quot; die because there is no such correct term - worded this way, (double) that phrase means nothing.</p><p>4. It&#039;s not a re-punched date, re-engraved date, re-cut date, a doubled, a double, overdate, double date, D/D, doubled D, DDO, or anyother kind of name suggesting a die desiganation.</p><p>5. Finally it&#039;s not a doublED die either - of course you all should know that by now, it never was nor ever will be.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Heres what it really is: It&#039;s a coin (1955-P) Lincon Cent that is/was struck with worn out and overpolished dies.&nbsp; Simply put the so called PMDD is a coin that lacked good quality control and is a coin even when BU looks awful because the design has been partly obliterated by over use.</p><p>All it is and all it ever will be is a pitifully struck coin or in southern terms &quot;a BU piece of junk.&nbsp; The shame of the mint is they coined junk that year and with a coin (the Lincoln Cent) that is so beautiful when struck up nice.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So all this over a &quot;&quot;piece of junk&quot; coin - what have we become when we try and defend this as any kind of die variety, error or a coin worth any premieum when it really is a mislabled piece of junk???</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Plus the original thing I called the man on had nothing to do with any Ebay posting, any question about how to post or should we post.&nbsp; It had to do with what he said, he said he listed it as a double die to get more people to see his listing. he said that in CoinTalk.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Those of you that are defending the right of a seller to list a PMDD, whether worded right, (really there is no right) or wrong are not thinking clearly and your not seeing the &quot;big picture&quot;.&nbsp; The reason your not thinking clearly must be because you have never had to tell a new person to the hobby, excited about his eBay purchase, that he in fact has nothing but a coin struck from worn out dies and then watch the light of enthusiasum drain from his/her eyes.&nbsp; I have, in fact I do it most every month 1 or 2 times.&nbsp; Then, and only then will you understand why it&#039;s wrong - IT DOES MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD!!!!!.&nbsp; Why on earth are we defending this practice, that is based on lies, deceptions, mis-guilded information and historical bull*&amp;@# - - for the right of a seller to sell a .35 cent coin for $4 - is that enough of a reason to continue a practice that at the very best confuses, leaves doubt and spreads wrong information about doubllED die in general???&nbsp; How many new people have left the hobby after an encounter with so called, die experts selling this stuff???</p><p>Learning about doublED dies and other die varieties is hard and complicated enough without supporting phrases for the 1950&#039;s that were made up by some dealer to profit from peoples ignorance.</p><p>To those that say, &quot;well they should know if they read the description or by the price&quot;, they don&#039;t always, they don&#039;t often.&nbsp; Many times I have had disscussions with seasoned coin dealers and collectors, many on Ebay where after numerous emails, and when I am about to give up trying to explaine I finally say, &quot;you do no a doublED die is not a double struck coin don&#039;t you&quot;? to have them respond, &quot;no, I sort of thought that&#039;s what it really was&quot;. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So ask your self what you are defending here, why are you defending it and is it, in the big picture, really worth it.&nbsp; Or isn&#039;t it time to put and end to this because, as I hope I have pointed out - the means just do not justify the ends.&nbsp; Yes a seller may list a PMDD on Ebay and word everything right but what have we gained as a hobby - or hom many more will we lose???[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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