Is it wrong to sell a "poor man's double die' cent on ebay?

By some of the comments on this thread, it looks as tho the problem will be perpetuated by those. Learning the proper language is part of being a educated collector.

 

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'poor man's double die'
has been an accepted form of terminology since the late 1950's.

If someone buys something that is correctly described, in this instance 'poor man's double die' and gets exactly what the term describes, but is not what they expect to see, then they are idiots and should be banned from the hobby.

Not really, but ... there are many resources out there and if you are a knowledgeable collector in this instance, then you will get what you expect.

If you do not do your homework, tough.

Sorry if this seems mean, but enough whining.

I am not talking about deceitful counterfeit coins, Chinese 'reproductions' or anything that is meant to deceive.

The description is accurate and honest.

In a word: Yes.
It is okay to sell the coin.

Besides, there ain't no such thing as a 'double die.'

 

Now that sums everything up what the Treas says leave it up to the treas good explaination :thumb:.
JC
I still feel we should change the description in todays modern times it's never to late just an old man's opinion

 

I understand this and doubled dies as well as you but I'm not obsessed with it.
I don't care if someone uses the term double die and it's certainly not something to get so upset over. I am wondering why you spell "doublED" using caps for the E and D. Is doubled not correct?

 

One final comment on my part.

I am seeing it suggested that things should remain the same because of those famous seven words: "We always did it that way before". If that was the case, we would still be punching out coins with a hammer.

The fact that anything has always been done some way in the past doesn't make the fact that it was incorrect, more correct today. It was wrong then and it is still wrong today.

Things change, as they change, we should change. That is the education process.


Thanks,
Bill

 

I really am over it now, for those that know what I was talkng about thanks

I really am over it now, for those that know what I was talkng about thanks, for those that don't well, just remember that new collector with such high hopes getting dashed in an instance buying a piece of junk like a so called PMDD. You'all claim the resources are out there to protect against this happening, and yes they are for more knowledgable collectors they sure are. That leaves out a lot of people - those are the people I see each month without a clue what a doublED die really is.
This all boils down to people/sellers that don't care or people who think this problem will correct itself or is not really a problem, (that's what it always has been called is pretty lame to me). You see I don't play that way, I'll pull the tail on the Devil himself if I think he needs called on his stuff!!!

I don't even think many of you'all went back to even see the wording of the CoinTalk posting that I was really talking about either, oh well it does not matter much cause I ain't going be around here much anymore - people on here that feel this way do not interest me anymore. If you'all did not see what happened (the wording of that thread, "isn't this mechanical") and how the wording was deceitful by the authors own admmitance, and then that poll that followed was not even the correct question in reference to what I challeged him on the thread or what I questioned him about well, I cannot save you from yourself's, believe what you want to believe - you will not need to worry about whether I will chime in or not any longer.
Besides this all is a time killer to say the least.

With all that said I do want to apoligize to CaptainKirk and anyone else for perhaps not using the kindest of pharses. I should have refrained from doing that, my bad - that's what you get when you are passionate about something I guess but I was wrong with my attitude, I am often wrong about that. Plus thank Peter for all his work on here. It certainly does provide a lot of good info. for folks and except for this issue is pretty darn correct.

Anybody needs me all they have to do is find my coin show and you'll find me - if you are ever in K-Town come see us.

So long and thanks,

 

Benjamin, This minor discussion shouldn't be cause for you to leave, we've all learned a lot from the varying opinions posted in this and other threads. I even changed my description so that no-one would be confused about the coin. This has been an educational experience for many here on coin talk, and the discussion wasn't as heated as many others I've seen here. Stick around and keep posting your opinions, If we all saw things the same, it would be a boring forum. Kirk

 

Who would be in favor of a change i would like to know how many would be please ,say yes for a change on this subject or no for a change post it in your next post please i;m just curious.Kiss
Whoever follows me please post change or no change for the poormans doubled die and the next person ETC ETC lets see ever bodys opinion on that should be interesting.
Jazzcoins


Jazzcoins votes yes for a change.

 

N0 change.

 

Ben, I feel everyone knows better what they want to do with their time than all others ( well except for maybe spouses), but It seems out of character for one who is very passionate about education of newcomers to be wanting to leave the forum. If you need the time, I understand fully. If it because you feel we are hopeless in many areas and don't respect your opinions, you are wrong. Without a wide and strong opinionated group, we would be back to a "Nice coin, wow, MS65" on every posting.

I was in education ( and still am in limited amounts retired), and one thing that is so true is that to truly educate someone in any subject, you must present the argument, and allow them to assimilate, evaluate, and decide for themselves. They may continue to think that they are corrected against reasons, but that is how it is. Don't let their stand dictate to you how you must feel and respond. If you feel you must leave, don't leave the forum, just pick and choose who you want to respond to, and on what subject. I respect your opinions and although I might not have finished evaluating how I feel about this subject, I hope you will stay around. I haven't answered the poll question because I am still considering the arguments.

With respect,

Jim

 

Here's another deception, it's neither variety or an error, it's damage.

 

I second this. I have not voted because it seems like every time I look at this thread the wording has changed or maybe it is a different thread now. Don't know. I won't speak for others - but me, I could not and would not list the coin this way. If I did I would certainly put more information into it to educate the buyer. Of course I probably would not list the coin to start with. Just my opinion.

 

Looking through this thread and being fairly new to looking for errors, this thread actually made me laugh. I don't know how many times someone has posted a coin and those arguing that this coin can be listed as a poorman's doubled die is ok, will tell that person no that coin is not a doubled die but mechanical doubling or die deterioration on any other year.

Using their own argument that because this coin was named a poormans doubled die, why not just call every coin with mechanical doubling or die deterioration a poorman's doubled die. Why? Because we are taught that they are not, and now know better. That they are what they are, just mechanical doubling or die deterioration, and that is exactly what this coin is.

Heck I have seen people post a 1955 mechanical doubling or die deterioration cent on this board and have yet to hear anyone say oh that is a Poorman's Doubled die. They just pop up and say nope not the 55 doubled die that is mechanical doubling or die deterioration. Funny how so many on this board like to have it both ways, when the situation suits them

Dave

 

Now you know as well has i do Rockdudre that this came from an expert that said that, and i will not mention his name and it depends on the serverity of the doubling and how extreme it is to call them errors, and he mentioned that in his explaination.
JC

 

On the end of this, I personally think some of the posters get to wound up over something as trivial as this subject. You did not buy it, you did not sell it, stop trying to save the world.(in a matter of words). Getting worked up over something like this can only cause two things,
1. sore fingers for beating your keyboard
2.Possibility of a heart attack.

Calm down and take a breath. Look at those pictures on your wall and remember what is important, your family and life. Not some stranger selling a novelty coin variety on a site like E-Bay.
Goodnight and go Tigers!!

 

I never heard of a poor mans double die coin before! You learn new things every day here!

 

I don't know what or who you you are talking about, so could you give me and others on this forum a clue.

 

Bill this is how I list a Poor man 55,
plus I would e-mail winner and tell them this not the classic rare 1955 Doubled Die it is an other variety

1955-P Wheat but NOT the well known D/D that this a Poor Man Not $4500.coin

 

I stated that it is neither error nor variety. For those that understand this, these are coins where what is being looked at is an indication of the state of the die.

They were within the Mint's specs, therefore not an error.

It is always an uphill struggle to try to change the minds of those that "have always done it that way before" but there are new people coming on to these forums on a daily basis and they have the right to hear what are updated and more current ways of thinking about these things. It doesn't matter to me who else agrees or not.

 

FIR/Bill I said I were to list a poor man 1955 & I won't. I really don't think it is and error or variety like you said.but still is a Wheat oddity like a BIE