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<p>[QUOTE="Paul M., post: 5305117, member: 73165"]If you were talking about coins that are expensive, but not great rarities with impressive pedigrees like this one, I would agree with you. Hypothetically, if I owned a coin worth $50K, I'd want it in the best, most secure holder I could get, which, right now is PCGS, hands down. I also happen to prefer the look of their holders over any other TPG, and their TrueViews are nothing to sneeze at either. Neither the look of the holder nor the quality of TrueView photography would be a deciding factor for me, but the gold shield holder and the new chip certainly would be.</p><p><br /></p><p>But, when you're talking about coins that are so well known, well provenanced, and literally known by name, I find it hard to believe the plastic around it has much, if any influence on any final hammer prices. Anyone who's bidding millions of dollars on a coin like this knows they can drop a trivial amount more money and get it in whatever holder by whichever company they want. I suspect that, even though such people may prefer one company over the others, most of those individuals use a trusted dealer as a proxy to bid in the live auctions where these coins are sold, and that their representatives are authorized to spend that money to cross the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You might be right, given that it's been sold so recently. OTOH, I doubt the market for this coin is bigger than about 10 people in the entire world, and all you really need to do is get 2-3 of them interested in it to create a bidding war. And, if this coin were offered up at any reputable auction house, you can bet the auction house themselves would personally contact the 9 people besides the current owner who may want it. </p><p><br /></p><p>I've literally never seen a great rarity like this sell for less than it did the previous time it was sold. There might be an exception or 2 out there that I'm not aware of, but there certainly aren't many. I see no real reason why this coin would be any different.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That sounds like a lot of money, but, when you factor in the amount of insurance PCGS would need to even handle a coin like that, plus the VIP express treatment it would undoubtedly get, it starts to seem pretty reasonable.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>How high do your high rollers roll? Are any of them among the people who would be interested in a rarity like this? Anyone who would seriously consider buying this coin is going to be leagues above the relative schmoes who will bid on stuff like 1895 Morgans, MS pre-1833 gold, MS early large cents, and the like.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I would hope so. Like I said, I expect these people will be represented at auction rather than bidding themselves, and, if I were one of those people with millions to blow on a single coin, you can damn well bet I'd authorize my dealer representative to cross it into whatever holder I wanted, at whatever cost it would take.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Paul M., post: 5305117, member: 73165"]If you were talking about coins that are expensive, but not great rarities with impressive pedigrees like this one, I would agree with you. Hypothetically, if I owned a coin worth $50K, I'd want it in the best, most secure holder I could get, which, right now is PCGS, hands down. I also happen to prefer the look of their holders over any other TPG, and their TrueViews are nothing to sneeze at either. Neither the look of the holder nor the quality of TrueView photography would be a deciding factor for me, but the gold shield holder and the new chip certainly would be. But, when you're talking about coins that are so well known, well provenanced, and literally known by name, I find it hard to believe the plastic around it has much, if any influence on any final hammer prices. Anyone who's bidding millions of dollars on a coin like this knows they can drop a trivial amount more money and get it in whatever holder by whichever company they want. I suspect that, even though such people may prefer one company over the others, most of those individuals use a trusted dealer as a proxy to bid in the live auctions where these coins are sold, and that their representatives are authorized to spend that money to cross the coin. You might be right, given that it's been sold so recently. OTOH, I doubt the market for this coin is bigger than about 10 people in the entire world, and all you really need to do is get 2-3 of them interested in it to create a bidding war. And, if this coin were offered up at any reputable auction house, you can bet the auction house themselves would personally contact the 9 people besides the current owner who may want it. I've literally never seen a great rarity like this sell for less than it did the previous time it was sold. There might be an exception or 2 out there that I'm not aware of, but there certainly aren't many. I see no real reason why this coin would be any different. That sounds like a lot of money, but, when you factor in the amount of insurance PCGS would need to even handle a coin like that, plus the VIP express treatment it would undoubtedly get, it starts to seem pretty reasonable. How high do your high rollers roll? Are any of them among the people who would be interested in a rarity like this? Anyone who would seriously consider buying this coin is going to be leagues above the relative schmoes who will bid on stuff like 1895 Morgans, MS pre-1833 gold, MS early large cents, and the like. I would hope so. Like I said, I expect these people will be represented at auction rather than bidding themselves, and, if I were one of those people with millions to blow on a single coin, you can damn well bet I'd authorize my dealer representative to cross it into whatever holder I wanted, at whatever cost it would take.[/QUOTE]
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