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<p>[QUOTE="brg5658, post: 1260922, member: 29751"]<i><span style="color: #b22222">I would, but I might get in trouble with the moderator</span></i> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>While your story has a probability higher than zero of occurring, I'm going to guess that it's negligibly higher than zero (maybe 1 in a quadrillion chance). And, there is nothing in your "conspiracy theory" that is restricted to clad coins. Thus, it's just as plausible a scenario for any coin...or collectible for that matter.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>If you are referring to ASE or AGE bullion then this assessment is pretty close to the truth IMO. But, if you are talking about <u>business strike modern coinage</u> you are way off of the mark. There are a handful of MS70 Lincoln Cents (all satin finish coins from 2005-2006, less than 100 total), only one MS70 dime (also satin finish) and only a handful of MS70 quarters (less than 50), and only 1 MS70 Kennedy half ever graded by either PCGS or NGC. It gets old hearing people say how every modern coin is graded MS70 -- simply put, they are NOT. And, outside of the satin finish coins of 2005-2010, there are almost no MS69 modern coins also (the Lincoln Cent is the most common but still quite rare in the MS69 grade). </p><p><br /></p><p>People who seriously collect moderns know what coins are hard to find and conversely what coins are readily available in high grade. People who don't collect moderns like to justify their dislike/disinterest of the modern coins by poo-pooing on those who do and regurgitating information that is simply false. I happen to collect the Sacagawea/Native American dollar series.</p><p><br /></p><p>Question: <span style="color: #006400"><b>How many 2007-D Sacagawea Dollars have been graded <u>MS68 or higher</u> by both PCGS and NGC combined? </b></span></p><p>Answer: <span style="color: #b22222"><b>None</b></span></p><p><br /></p><p>That is just one example of a modern coin that isn't available in super gem. There are many many other examples of scarce condition rarities amongst moderns. This is surprising to most people considering there are generally a few thousand graded examples, and most of those have been "cherry-picked" for submission. I'm not disavowing the possibility of an MS68 existing, but even if a few do exist, they are condition rarities for sure. You may argue now -- is there really a difference between an MS68 coin and an MS67 coin? -- and again, I will say, for those of us who seriously collect a particular series, the difference is night and day.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="brg5658, post: 1260922, member: 29751"][I][COLOR=#b22222]I would, but I might get in trouble with the moderator[/COLOR][/I] ;) While your story has a probability higher than zero of occurring, I'm going to guess that it's negligibly higher than zero (maybe 1 in a quadrillion chance). And, there is nothing in your "conspiracy theory" that is restricted to clad coins. Thus, it's just as plausible a scenario for any coin...or collectible for that matter. If you are referring to ASE or AGE bullion then this assessment is pretty close to the truth IMO. But, if you are talking about [U]business strike modern coinage[/U] you are way off of the mark. There are a handful of MS70 Lincoln Cents (all satin finish coins from 2005-2006, less than 100 total), only one MS70 dime (also satin finish) and only a handful of MS70 quarters (less than 50), and only 1 MS70 Kennedy half ever graded by either PCGS or NGC. It gets old hearing people say how every modern coin is graded MS70 -- simply put, they are NOT. And, outside of the satin finish coins of 2005-2010, there are almost no MS69 modern coins also (the Lincoln Cent is the most common but still quite rare in the MS69 grade). People who seriously collect moderns know what coins are hard to find and conversely what coins are readily available in high grade. People who don't collect moderns like to justify their dislike/disinterest of the modern coins by poo-pooing on those who do and regurgitating information that is simply false. I happen to collect the Sacagawea/Native American dollar series. Question: [COLOR=#006400][B]How many 2007-D Sacagawea Dollars have been graded [U]MS68 or higher[/U] by both PCGS and NGC combined? [/B][/COLOR] Answer: [COLOR=#b22222][B]None[/B][/COLOR] That is just one example of a modern coin that isn't available in super gem. There are many many other examples of scarce condition rarities amongst moderns. This is surprising to most people considering there are generally a few thousand graded examples, and most of those have been "cherry-picked" for submission. I'm not disavowing the possibility of an MS68 existing, but even if a few do exist, they are condition rarities for sure. You may argue now -- is there really a difference between an MS68 coin and an MS67 coin? -- and again, I will say, for those of us who seriously collect a particular series, the difference is night and day.[/QUOTE]
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