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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2305901, member: 112"]Oh I know only too well that in the eyes of the TPGs (and any that happen to agree with them) they do not. Their thinking is the coin is "as struck" so it doesn't matter. But here's why I have a problem with that, and why I do not agree.</p><p><br /></p><p>First of all, how can die scratches, or any die flaws for that matter, not affect the eye appeal and thus grade ? If the die is flawed then by definition it cannot be the equal of a die that is not flawed. And since all coins struck with a given die take on the characteristics of that given die, if the die is flawed then its coins must also have the same flaws.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, for comparison purposes, planchet flaws absolutely affect the grade of a coin. The ANA grading standards state this, and the TPG grading standards state this. The TPGs even state that if a planchet flaw is severe enough that the coin cannot even be graded at all - that it is a no grade. And here's the kicker, a coin with planchet flaws is "as struck", just like a coin struck by a flawed die is "as struck". But yet those planchet flaws matter, they negatively affect the grade of the coin even though that coin is "as struck" - and everybody agrees with that.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another example: centering. A coin that is struck with properly aligned dies is well centered, the rims all the way around are equal in size. And centering matters when it comes to grade. But a coin that is struck with improperly aligned dies is not well centered, in some cases it is even considered to be an error, which by definition means it is not and cannot be the equal of a coin without that error. But both the well centered coin, and poorly centered coin, are "as struck". </p><p><br /></p><p>So here we have two cases where "as struck" doesn't make any difference. Even though the coin is "as struck" the grade is still negatively affected. So, a coin that is struck with flawed dies, even though it is "as struck" must also have its grade negatively affected. It's kind of hard to deny that logic. But yet the TPGs try to do it.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's just like it is with wear, when it comes to flaws it doesn't matter where the flaws are or what caused them - they are still flaws. Pre-strike or post-strike, they are still flaws. And any way you want to look at it flaws, all flaws, are a negative. </p><p><br /></p><p>But if anyone wishes to pretend they are not, well be my guest. The TPGs do it so you may as well too.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2305901, member: 112"]Oh I know only too well that in the eyes of the TPGs (and any that happen to agree with them) they do not. Their thinking is the coin is "as struck" so it doesn't matter. But here's why I have a problem with that, and why I do not agree. First of all, how can die scratches, or any die flaws for that matter, not affect the eye appeal and thus grade ? If the die is flawed then by definition it cannot be the equal of a die that is not flawed. And since all coins struck with a given die take on the characteristics of that given die, if the die is flawed then its coins must also have the same flaws. Now, for comparison purposes, planchet flaws absolutely affect the grade of a coin. The ANA grading standards state this, and the TPG grading standards state this. The TPGs even state that if a planchet flaw is severe enough that the coin cannot even be graded at all - that it is a no grade. And here's the kicker, a coin with planchet flaws is "as struck", just like a coin struck by a flawed die is "as struck". But yet those planchet flaws matter, they negatively affect the grade of the coin even though that coin is "as struck" - and everybody agrees with that. Another example: centering. A coin that is struck with properly aligned dies is well centered, the rims all the way around are equal in size. And centering matters when it comes to grade. But a coin that is struck with improperly aligned dies is not well centered, in some cases it is even considered to be an error, which by definition means it is not and cannot be the equal of a coin without that error. But both the well centered coin, and poorly centered coin, are "as struck". So here we have two cases where "as struck" doesn't make any difference. Even though the coin is "as struck" the grade is still negatively affected. So, a coin that is struck with flawed dies, even though it is "as struck" must also have its grade negatively affected. It's kind of hard to deny that logic. But yet the TPGs try to do it. It's just like it is with wear, when it comes to flaws it doesn't matter where the flaws are or what caused them - they are still flaws. Pre-strike or post-strike, they are still flaws. And any way you want to look at it flaws, all flaws, are a negative. But if anyone wishes to pretend they are not, well be my guest. The TPGs do it so you may as well too.[/QUOTE]
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