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<p>[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 2304299, member: 15929"]"Hairlines" on proof coins are sometimes imparted to the planchet from the die. Meaning, it's the actual die that has the hairlines.</p><p><br /></p><p>I found this out while examining some 1968-S Proof Kennedys I received back from a submission and was wondering what kept one PR67DCAM back from a PR68DCAM and what kept a PR68DCAM back from a PR69DCAM. I specifically noticed some "hairlines" through the date which really confused me since I'd just busted these out of the mint plastic. I thought that I'd been really careful but evidently not careful enough!</p><p><br /></p><p>The next coin.........had the EXACT same hairlines in the EXACT same location.</p><p><br /></p><p>I then looked at a third coin. Same Hairlines.</p><p><br /></p><p>This led me to look at other imperfections which seem to plague silver proof coins. Namely those little fractures in the coins field which look like they radiate out from the center. I used to call them silver blast and first "noticed" them on some of the Silver State Quarters proof sets which I was considering submitting for grading.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]463229[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Not the lines folks but the speckles.</p><p><br /></p><p>At any rate, examining the above 3 Kennedy proofs also showed these little fractures in the exact same locations with the exact same shapes. It blew me away at how ignorant I was regarding the grading of proof coins. Namely in that, PCGS's definition for PR69 is "As Struck with miniscule imperfections, near full strike necessary" and PR70 is "As struck with Full Strike".</p><p><br /></p><p>No where does it mention where the imperfections need to occur such as the coin or the die. The assumption is that the imperfections reside on the coin but I'm thinking that they could reside on the die as well with regard to a coins grade.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some pit-chures:</p><p><br /></p><p>PR67DCAM</p><p>[ATTACH=full]463235[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>PR68DCAM</p><p>[ATTACH=full]463231[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>PR69DCAM</p><p>[ATTACH=full]463234[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Surface Fractures (Look for the Inverted Chevron shaped fracture between the S and O near the edge):</p><p><br /></p><p>PR67DCAM</p><p>[ATTACH=full]463232[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>PR68DCAM</p><p>[ATTACH=full]463233[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I have no doubt that the above imperfections, whether surface fracture or hairline, actually occurred on the die and was transferred to the coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>Basically, a hairline is a hairline and its upto the grading company on whether or not it is acceptable with regard to grade. In other words, an "opinion" since I never really could figure out why the PR67DC didn't grade like the PR69DC or vice versa.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 2304299, member: 15929"]"Hairlines" on proof coins are sometimes imparted to the planchet from the die. Meaning, it's the actual die that has the hairlines. I found this out while examining some 1968-S Proof Kennedys I received back from a submission and was wondering what kept one PR67DCAM back from a PR68DCAM and what kept a PR68DCAM back from a PR69DCAM. I specifically noticed some "hairlines" through the date which really confused me since I'd just busted these out of the mint plastic. I thought that I'd been really careful but evidently not careful enough! The next coin.........had the EXACT same hairlines in the EXACT same location. I then looked at a third coin. Same Hairlines. This led me to look at other imperfections which seem to plague silver proof coins. Namely those little fractures in the coins field which look like they radiate out from the center. I used to call them silver blast and first "noticed" them on some of the Silver State Quarters proof sets which I was considering submitting for grading. [ATTACH=full]463229[/ATTACH] Not the lines folks but the speckles. At any rate, examining the above 3 Kennedy proofs also showed these little fractures in the exact same locations with the exact same shapes. It blew me away at how ignorant I was regarding the grading of proof coins. Namely in that, PCGS's definition for PR69 is "As Struck with miniscule imperfections, near full strike necessary" and PR70 is "As struck with Full Strike". No where does it mention where the imperfections need to occur such as the coin or the die. The assumption is that the imperfections reside on the coin but I'm thinking that they could reside on the die as well with regard to a coins grade. Some pit-chures: PR67DCAM [ATTACH=full]463235[/ATTACH] PR68DCAM [ATTACH=full]463231[/ATTACH] PR69DCAM [ATTACH=full]463234[/ATTACH] Surface Fractures (Look for the Inverted Chevron shaped fracture between the S and O near the edge): PR67DCAM [ATTACH=full]463232[/ATTACH] PR68DCAM [ATTACH=full]463233[/ATTACH] I have no doubt that the above imperfections, whether surface fracture or hairline, actually occurred on the die and was transferred to the coin. Basically, a hairline is a hairline and its upto the grading company on whether or not it is acceptable with regard to grade. In other words, an "opinion" since I never really could figure out why the PR67DC didn't grade like the PR69DC or vice versa.[/QUOTE]
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