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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Conder101, post: 2301489, member: 66&quot;]But that patent should at or just about at it&#039;s expiration point.&nbsp; I forget if patents are for 17 or 27 years.&nbsp; So the patent either expired in 2009 or will in 2019.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is true or at least PCGS stated as such back when the + grading was introduced.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>True but it was only a couple weeks not months.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>There were at least a half dozen or more services before PCGS started up.</p><p><br /></p><p>(thanks for the link to Desk Set, I had not been able to fine it on Youtube)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Have they?&nbsp; they had their scanning system for 25 years, but have they been using it?&nbsp; They didn&#039;t even start taking pictures of submission until 3 years ago (And I don&#039;t believe they take images of all submissions) and they only post a fraction of those.&nbsp; I would not be surprised if they DON&#039;T have that database.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I was thinking PCGS still came out on top, but the grades from each were still all over the map.&nbsp; But if you took the range of grades for each coin and used them to create a &quot;consensus&quot; grade for the coin, the firm that hit that consensus grade almost every single time was....Accugrade.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I believe that FTC case was against PCGS.&nbsp; (At least I know PCGS had an FTC ruling against them related to overgrading, might have been a different case.)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This has been true for at least the past 120 years or so.&nbsp; Probably longer.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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