Is it Live? or Is it Memorex? Trade Dollar Thread

That's the infamous 1796 BB-51!

Ribbit

 

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I love your choice of words, "promiscuous pairings". Wonderful usage.:thumb:

Very interesting ksparrow and thanks for the research. I appreciate you pointing this out. Perhaps one day we'll have a VAM like list for trade dollars so that varieties can be recognized.

 

? Hope it's a rare variety , nice going Cat .
rzage

 

Wish I had a camera or scanner , next time I see Spock I'll ask him to take a few pictures to post , He was with me when I showed it to the guy who wrote the Trade Dollar article for Coin World . So he knows the quality of it . I know it scares me .
rzage

 

The liberty in the obverse is suspect something else about the reverse but I cant get my fingers around it.

 

It is this (1795 BB-51):

http://search.stores.ebay.com/My-Replica-Silver-Coins-520_1795_W0QQfciZQ2d1QQfclZ3QQfsnZMyQ20ReplicaQ20SilverQ20CoinsQ20520QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQsaselZ713500768QQsofpZ0

With a recut date (what I call the 1796 BB-51):

http://search.stores.ebay.com/My-Replica-Silver-Coins-520_1796_W0QQfciZQ2d1QQfclZ3QQfsnZMyQ20ReplicaQ20SilverQ20CoinsQ20520QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQsaselZ713500768QQsofpZ0

Anotherwords, they took and copied a 1795 BB-51 and then recut the date on a die and turned it into a 1796 and since it doesn't jive with any authentic 1796's, I call it a 1796 BB-51.

Ribbit

Ps: Here's a real 1795 BB-51:

http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dol...795_silver_dollars/1795_silver_dollar_b14.htm

Compare it to the 1796 and you will see that it matches perfectly, except for the date.

 

Yepper! B-14 or BB-51, same thing.

I ran across one a few weeks ago and it had me stumped until I checked it against the 2 1795's and noticed it was the 14/51 and that told me it was a counterfeit, but it wasn't being sold as a counterfeit.

The actual 1795's they made are the ones that will be a problem, since it is correct and will fool uneducated peeps. I'm scared to buy a DBD now unless I know the seller. :thumb:

Ribbit

 

I was actually thinking of getting one of the 1795's. The seller has some coppers I wouldn't mind getting for my type set and if I get them, I'll get one of the 1795's. But right now, I've got a few coins on Heritage I'd like to get so I have to wait to see if I'll win them first and if I don't, then I'll have some spare change and may get them, since the quality isn't bad.

Ribbit

 

Will dew tomorrow.

Ribbit

 

i would like one of those too if its not too expensive let me know how it goes

 

Here's the one you posted:

http://www.civitasgalleries.com/counterfeits/images/1796silverdollar.jpg

Here's the one I posted:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1796-Dr...11976QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262

Except for a slight difference in the date, I don't see a difference? They are both a 1796 version of a 1795 BB-51 and have the same spurs on the stars and LIBERTY lines up the same and the reverse is also the same. So, other than a slight difference in the cutting of the date, what else is different?

Ribbit

 

I won my auctions on Heritage so now I can't afford to get the copies. I may do it later though.

Ribbit

 

Could be one of those EMD machines ksparrow was telling me about , they're accurate to .0005 of an inch .
rzage

 

So 2 different 1796 B-14's/BB-51's were made? Sounds to me like they must have used the same 1795 B-14/BB-51 as the template? :whistle:

Have you seen the 1795 they made (identical to your posted 1796)? :kewl:

Ribbit