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<p>[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 4867496, member: 105098"]He can put a stop payment on the check or recall the funds. And I'm sure that is what the op meant when he said the guy "talked to my bank".</p><p>Guy probably said "I called the bank, you ain't getting paid!"</p><p><br /></p><p>No idea why he doesn't call the police about someone committing fraud or felony theft through deception , something like that. No idea why he'd come knocking on the door even really. There's no need to negotiate anything on his side he's got the coins and the payment, he's holding all the cards and if it were me, I'd drop the hammer and call the police and let them do the detective work.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another thing. NGC (numismatic guarantee corp) specifically uses the term "Ultra Cameo" on their slabs. If the slab said that then NGC is the company that slabbed the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>If the dealer wants to discuss things, tell him it was authenticated and holdered by NGC geniuine and to stop playing what looks like a switch fraud game. Should have cracked it out in front of you before buying and tested it. He trusted their determination, take it up with them.</p><p><br /></p><p>That said. I haven't seen the coin or the slab. For all I know the slab and coins are fake, still he should know damn well what he's doing. Not like they don't send out dealer alerts when fakes come up and how to check them, not like NGC doesn't have a warning when they know something is faked with any of their certification number's and when you look them up it says to "call us, possible counterfeit" when you look up the cert. Number. If he opened the case, it's his in my opinion, he's ruined the guarantee that the coin in the slab is genuine because it's not in the slab anymore. HE tampered with the slab.</p><p><br /></p><p>Even if it was a fake, this was his mistake and negligence and he bought it. It's dirty to do what he's doing now in my opinion.</p><p>Anyone else that makes this mistake has to eat it. He's basically robbing you now keeping your items and the money.</p><p><br /></p><p>Check your bank and see if the money is there.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 4867496, member: 105098"]He can put a stop payment on the check or recall the funds. And I'm sure that is what the op meant when he said the guy "talked to my bank". Guy probably said "I called the bank, you ain't getting paid!" No idea why he doesn't call the police about someone committing fraud or felony theft through deception , something like that. No idea why he'd come knocking on the door even really. There's no need to negotiate anything on his side he's got the coins and the payment, he's holding all the cards and if it were me, I'd drop the hammer and call the police and let them do the detective work. Another thing. NGC (numismatic guarantee corp) specifically uses the term "Ultra Cameo" on their slabs. If the slab said that then NGC is the company that slabbed the coin. If the dealer wants to discuss things, tell him it was authenticated and holdered by NGC geniuine and to stop playing what looks like a switch fraud game. Should have cracked it out in front of you before buying and tested it. He trusted their determination, take it up with them. That said. I haven't seen the coin or the slab. For all I know the slab and coins are fake, still he should know damn well what he's doing. Not like they don't send out dealer alerts when fakes come up and how to check them, not like NGC doesn't have a warning when they know something is faked with any of their certification number's and when you look them up it says to "call us, possible counterfeit" when you look up the cert. Number. If he opened the case, it's his in my opinion, he's ruined the guarantee that the coin in the slab is genuine because it's not in the slab anymore. HE tampered with the slab. Even if it was a fake, this was his mistake and negligence and he bought it. It's dirty to do what he's doing now in my opinion. Anyone else that makes this mistake has to eat it. He's basically robbing you now keeping your items and the money. Check your bank and see if the money is there.[/QUOTE]
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