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<p>[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 4867392, member: 105098"]He had opportunity to open and check them and do whatever he wanted to before completing the purchase.</p><p>He will likely have you charged with fraud/counterfeiting or try to get his money back and keep the coins and let you slide on criminal charges.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your best course of action is going on the offensive. And charging him with theft by deception and fraud yourself I'd think.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is going to depend a lot on the holder and the grading company used and if the number on the slab checks out on their database. It is what they authenticated it to be when they put it in the slab. So if it wasn't when he opened it, then he's the one that switched it. This really hinges on the reputation of the grading company involved that authenticated it.</p><p><br /></p><p>One thing is for sure a crime occurred here in this story. Either you or grandma or who grandma bought from is a scammer, or the shop is a scammer, but it all depends. If it's a knock off slab from a grading company with no reputation whatsoever, then he should have been absolutely sure it was real before giving you the money not crack them out and check later. Which leads me to believe it was a reputable grading company that slabbed the coins. He trusted it and when he went to scrap or resell he realized it was fake.</p><p><br /></p><p>My opinion doesn't mean much but there is a crook in this story somewhere trying to rip someone off.</p><p><br /></p><p>If its the dealer, hire a lawyer and burn him every which way to sunday. If it was grandma throw her under the bus. If she got ripped off, maybe she knows where she got it from.</p><p><br /></p><p>A's of now he's stopped payment. He has your stuff and his money. That's theft. If he's the scammer here he's going to switch the coins next. So this really does hinge on the grading company and their reputation to detect real from counterfeit and what it was when you sold it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 4867392, member: 105098"]He had opportunity to open and check them and do whatever he wanted to before completing the purchase. He will likely have you charged with fraud/counterfeiting or try to get his money back and keep the coins and let you slide on criminal charges. Your best course of action is going on the offensive. And charging him with theft by deception and fraud yourself I'd think. This is going to depend a lot on the holder and the grading company used and if the number on the slab checks out on their database. It is what they authenticated it to be when they put it in the slab. So if it wasn't when he opened it, then he's the one that switched it. This really hinges on the reputation of the grading company involved that authenticated it. One thing is for sure a crime occurred here in this story. Either you or grandma or who grandma bought from is a scammer, or the shop is a scammer, but it all depends. If it's a knock off slab from a grading company with no reputation whatsoever, then he should have been absolutely sure it was real before giving you the money not crack them out and check later. Which leads me to believe it was a reputable grading company that slabbed the coins. He trusted it and when he went to scrap or resell he realized it was fake. My opinion doesn't mean much but there is a crook in this story somewhere trying to rip someone off. If its the dealer, hire a lawyer and burn him every which way to sunday. If it was grandma throw her under the bus. If she got ripped off, maybe she knows where she got it from. A's of now he's stopped payment. He has your stuff and his money. That's theft. If he's the scammer here he's going to switch the coins next. So this really does hinge on the grading company and their reputation to detect real from counterfeit and what it was when you sold it.[/QUOTE]
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