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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 5148121, member: 24314"]<i>For those members who do not know, I work at ICG. I have worked at ANACS and NGC and NCS in the past. When I worked at PCI - the fist TPGS to slab problem coins, dealers would come to our table at every show to brag how they got one of our problem coins straight graded at either PCGS or NGC. They wanted us to lower our standards. They said they love to buy the PCI red label (details) coins.</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Lehigh96, posted: "I'm not talking about an example of an overgraded coin, they reside in every slab. I'm not even talking about a problem coin that wasn't caught, they also reside in every slab. <b>I'm talking about a grade so egregiously bad that it hurts the reputation of the grading company."</b></p><p><br /></p><p><i>These exist! Every TPGS does it. I'm not talking about the AU's graded MS-63 either. Graders are not perfect. That's why more than one are on each coin. I have looked at a coin in our slab during the QC check and thought who <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> in the world graded this! When I checked the computer, I was #1 grader on the coin. Usually, after a discussion, I see why others agreed with MY FIRST IMPRESSION of the coin and the grade was not changed. Other times it is. I don't net grade.</i></p><p><i>AFAIK everyone at every TPGS does to some extent. This could be one of the causes for the obvious mistakes you see.</i> </p><p><br /></p><p>Lehigh96 continued: None of this explains how ANACS <b>used to be at the same reputation level as NGC & PCGS,</b> but no longer enjoys that parity.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <i>What are you smoking. As soon as PCGS & NGC came along, they sucked all the older services dry. Collectors loved ANACS but most of the big dealers switched to PCGS - reputation level be damned. The longtime ANACS graders are on par with anyone. IMO, ANACS is still around because they have a loyal customer base, large orders for the TV, cheap fees, excellent attribution and good customer service.</i> </p><p><br /></p><p>Lehigh96 continued: "I personally thought that DLRC was going to make a run at PCGS & NGC when they bought the PCI inventory and started Dominion Grading Service (DGS), but it seems the market will only accept a <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">grading superstar</span> to enter the grading world and succeed. Who is the <b>superstar</b> at ICG or ANACS?"</p><p><br /></p><p>Good question. I guess I have a higher opinion of a grading "superstar" than you do. Otherwise, I would consider YOU to be a grading "superstar." <b><i>I think everyone reading your post would like to know who you consider to be the grading "superstars" at the major services. <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Hopefully, you will answer my question this week.</span></i></b></p><p><br /></p><p>mrweaseluv, post: 5146611, member: 40340"]I have few issues with ICG, they are great at authentication, but their grading... not so much <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> but the main issue is that the pcgs or ngc graded coins carry a higher premium or more simply said... the same coin in an icg holder would sell for say 100 the same exact coin put in a pcgs holder might grab 150-200. Why? IDK to be honest I trust ICG coins to be authentic... but as i said their grading is not so great <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <b>As for ANACs... I honestly prefer them as they will grade almost any coin or variety of coin..</b> pcgs and ngc will not grade morgans vams that are not top 100, and many other varities and errors don't appear on their lists... ANACs does ALL even if their gradeing is a little sloppier then NGC/PCGS.</p><p><br /></p><p><i>Just to catch you up to what has peen going on for over a decade...<b>ICG grades <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">everything </span>ANACS does including an occasional ancient. </b> I agree that the top two services NEED TO do the same. Otherwise their claim to be the best is a little weak!</i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 5148121, member: 24314"][I]For those members who do not know, I work at ICG. I have worked at ANACS and NGC and NCS in the past. When I worked at PCI - the fist TPGS to slab problem coins, dealers would come to our table at every show to brag how they got one of our problem coins straight graded at either PCGS or NGC. They wanted us to lower our standards. They said they love to buy the PCI red label (details) coins.[/I] Lehigh96, posted: "I'm not talking about an example of an overgraded coin, they reside in every slab. I'm not even talking about a problem coin that wasn't caught, they also reside in every slab. [B]I'm talking about a grade so egregiously bad that it hurts the reputation of the grading company."[/B] [I]These exist! Every TPGS does it. I'm not talking about the AU's graded MS-63 either. Graders are not perfect. That's why more than one are on each coin. I have looked at a coin in our slab during the QC check and thought who :bucktooth: in the world graded this! When I checked the computer, I was #1 grader on the coin. Usually, after a discussion, I see why others agreed with MY FIRST IMPRESSION of the coin and the grade was not changed. Other times it is. I don't net grade. AFAIK everyone at every TPGS does to some extent. This could be one of the causes for the obvious mistakes you see.[/I] Lehigh96 continued: None of this explains how ANACS [B]used to be at the same reputation level as NGC & PCGS,[/B] but no longer enjoys that parity. :rolleyes: [I]What are you smoking. As soon as PCGS & NGC came along, they sucked all the older services dry. Collectors loved ANACS but most of the big dealers switched to PCGS - reputation level be damned. The longtime ANACS graders are on par with anyone. IMO, ANACS is still around because they have a loyal customer base, large orders for the TV, cheap fees, excellent attribution and good customer service.[/I] Lehigh96 continued: "I personally thought that DLRC was going to make a run at PCGS & NGC when they bought the PCI inventory and started Dominion Grading Service (DGS), but it seems the market will only accept a [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]grading superstar[/COLOR] to enter the grading world and succeed. Who is the [B]superstar[/B] at ICG or ANACS?" Good question. I guess I have a higher opinion of a grading "superstar" than you do. Otherwise, I would consider YOU to be a grading "superstar." [B][I]I think everyone reading your post would like to know who you consider to be the grading "superstars" at the major services. [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Hopefully, you will answer my question this week.[/COLOR][/I][/B] mrweaseluv, post: 5146611, member: 40340"]I have few issues with ICG, they are great at authentication, but their grading... not so much :D but the main issue is that the pcgs or ngc graded coins carry a higher premium or more simply said... the same coin in an icg holder would sell for say 100 the same exact coin put in a pcgs holder might grab 150-200. Why? IDK to be honest I trust ICG coins to be authentic... but as i said their grading is not so great :D [B]As for ANACs... I honestly prefer them as they will grade almost any coin or variety of coin..[/B] pcgs and ngc will not grade morgans vams that are not top 100, and many other varities and errors don't appear on their lists... ANACs does ALL even if their gradeing is a little sloppier then NGC/PCGS. [I]Just to catch you up to what has peen going on for over a decade...[B]ICG grades [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]everything [/COLOR]ANACS does including an occasional ancient. [/B] I agree that the top two services NEED TO do the same. Otherwise their claim to be the best is a little weak![/I][/QUOTE]
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