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Message:: [QUOTE="imrich, post: 3215027, member: 22331"]As part of a long term comparative study, I've been removing large lots of >$1500 valued coins from one of the top 2 TPG and submitting to their "peer". All coins submitted to NGC are sent to NCS first, as I'm frustrated with "surprises" (i.e. cleaned, etc.) from these firms, with a request to not forward if a "condition" is found. Previous lots were forwarded from NCS to receive a "condition" graded coin. The last lot had a previously straight grade MS62 Coronet Double Eagle returned Unc. Details, Scratch. Another MS66 fb micro S dime returned MS65 S, taking 3 submissions of NCS to NGC before recognizing the micro S, but never the completely separated "full bands". The current lot has so far been in process a ~month longer than normal, with no return in sight. I believe it really doesn't matter to whom you ask for grade certification, they all have "problems", as stated by others in this thread. I believe there's less accuracy than the grading study exposed by Coin World in their May 26, 2003 edition. The book "United States Large Cents" author says it best of "sellers": "You never agree on grade", but we agreed the coin graded $100. It's perceived that "Dealers" really don't care about accuracy of grade, as "Buyers" prefer accuracy, but both  are concerned about relative pricing. JMHO[/QUOTE]