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<p>[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 2878888, member: 83845"]I know of at least one globe trotting ancient Roman that found its way to the US (rediscovered by our own [USER=10461]@lordmarcovan[/USER]!). <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/diggers-diary-the-arcadius-anomaly-repost-from-one-of-my-old-treasurenet-threads.287141/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/diggers-diary-the-arcadius-anomaly-repost-from-one-of-my-old-treasurenet-threads.287141/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/diggers-diary-the-arcadius-anomaly-repost-from-one-of-my-old-treasurenet-threads.287141/</a></p><p>In all seriousness though there have been Roman and Greek coins exchanged as currency found well outside the Roman Empire. The Indian imitations of the tribute penny come to mind as an example that illustrates how far ancient money traveled in large numbers.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Laws that aim to protect the integrity of an archaeological site that was specifically intended to contain a certain set of items by design seems reasonable to me. When I visit cultural sites abroad I always enjoy it if the site is as intact as possible or has a museum nearby that allows me to learn more about it. However, coins don't even broadly fit into this category (except possibly grave finds). Most coins come from hoards that were buried in an economic and not a cultural context. With coins there is no site integrity to protect because they were always meant as portable commodities (essentially bullion).</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Vases and jewelry were personal items of more than economic value to the people that owned them. Almost all of the vases (and a good portion of the jewelry) that come down to us were found in graves so yes it seems at least defensible to protect these items.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is true but also raises the question of who has claim to the past under discussion. Is it the person(s)/state/country who currently owns the land? Is it the ancestors of the historical peoples who produced the objects? What if those peoples are no longer distinguishable? What if their ancestors have since migrated? What if the entity demanding their return is the party responsible for that groups displacement?</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't have the answers to any of the above I just think it demonstrates the hornets nest you can open when you try to start repatriating artifacts. Especially if those artifacts are being researched, studied and well cared for by foreign museums, scholars and collectors to the benefit of everyone.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 2878888, member: 83845"]I know of at least one globe trotting ancient Roman that found its way to the US (rediscovered by our own [USER=10461]@lordmarcovan[/USER]!). o_O:D [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/diggers-diary-the-arcadius-anomaly-repost-from-one-of-my-old-treasurenet-threads.287141/[/url] In all seriousness though there have been Roman and Greek coins exchanged as currency found well outside the Roman Empire. The Indian imitations of the tribute penny come to mind as an example that illustrates how far ancient money traveled in large numbers. Laws that aim to protect the integrity of an archaeological site that was specifically intended to contain a certain set of items by design seems reasonable to me. When I visit cultural sites abroad I always enjoy it if the site is as intact as possible or has a museum nearby that allows me to learn more about it. However, coins don't even broadly fit into this category (except possibly grave finds). Most coins come from hoards that were buried in an economic and not a cultural context. With coins there is no site integrity to protect because they were always meant as portable commodities (essentially bullion). Vases and jewelry were personal items of more than economic value to the people that owned them. Almost all of the vases (and a good portion of the jewelry) that come down to us were found in graves so yes it seems at least defensible to protect these items. This is true but also raises the question of who has claim to the past under discussion. Is it the person(s)/state/country who currently owns the land? Is it the ancestors of the historical peoples who produced the objects? What if those peoples are no longer distinguishable? What if their ancestors have since migrated? What if the entity demanding their return is the party responsible for that groups displacement? I don't have the answers to any of the above I just think it demonstrates the hornets nest you can open when you try to start repatriating artifacts. Especially if those artifacts are being researched, studied and well cared for by foreign museums, scholars and collectors to the benefit of everyone.[/QUOTE]
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