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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 8516274, member: 66"]Now read sec 489 no fraudulent intent needed</p><p><br /></p><p>Whoever, within the United States, makes or brings therein from any foreign country, or possesses with intent to sell, give away, or in any other manner uses the same, except under authority of the Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer of the United States, any token, disk, or device in the likeness or similitude as to design, color, or the inscription thereon of any of the coins of the United States or of any foreign country issued as money, either under the authority of the United States or under the authority of any foreign government shall be fined under this title.</p><p><br /></p><p>Although this section doesn't make it illegal to possess it as long as you never intend to let it leave your possession. But then there is Sec 492 which requires you to forfeit them to the United States, but their seems to only be a penalty if you fail to surrender them when requested to do so.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sec 492</p><p>All counterfeits of any coins or obligations or other securities of the United States or of any foreign government, or any articles, devices, and other things made, possessed, or used in violation of this chapter or of sections <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/331-333" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/331-333" rel="nofollow">331–333</a>, <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/335" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/335" rel="nofollow">335</a>, <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/336" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/336" rel="nofollow">336</a>, <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/642" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/642" rel="nofollow">642</a> or <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1720" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1720" rel="nofollow">1720</a>, of this title, or any material or apparatus used or fitted or intended to be used, in the making of such counterfeits, articles, devices or things, found in the possession of any person without authority from the Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer, shall be forfeited to the United States.</p><p><br /></p><p>Whoever, having the custody or control of any such counterfeits, material, apparatus, articles, devices, or other things, fails or refuses to surrender possession thereof upon request by any authorized agent of the Treasury Department, or other proper officer, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 8516274, member: 66"]Now read sec 489 no fraudulent intent needed Whoever, within the United States, makes or brings therein from any foreign country, or possesses with intent to sell, give away, or in any other manner uses the same, except under authority of the Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer of the United States, any token, disk, or device in the likeness or similitude as to design, color, or the inscription thereon of any of the coins of the United States or of any foreign country issued as money, either under the authority of the United States or under the authority of any foreign government shall be fined under this title. Although this section doesn't make it illegal to possess it as long as you never intend to let it leave your possession. But then there is Sec 492 which requires you to forfeit them to the United States, but their seems to only be a penalty if you fail to surrender them when requested to do so. Sec 492 All counterfeits of any coins or obligations or other securities of the United States or of any foreign government, or any articles, devices, and other things made, possessed, or used in violation of this chapter or of sections [URL='https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/331-333']331–333[/URL], [URL='https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/335']335[/URL], [URL='https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/336']336[/URL], [URL='https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/642']642[/URL] or [URL='https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1720']1720[/URL], of this title, or any material or apparatus used or fitted or intended to be used, in the making of such counterfeits, articles, devices or things, found in the possession of any person without authority from the Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer, shall be forfeited to the United States. Whoever, having the custody or control of any such counterfeits, material, apparatus, articles, devices, or other things, fails or refuses to surrender possession thereof upon request by any authorized agent of the Treasury Department, or other proper officer, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.[/QUOTE]
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