Thanks for your suggestion: I would have no problem with that if PCGS did not have a reputation for deliberately inflating the value of their own slabs. However I do have to say I find using a formula to determine the intermediate value to be a simpler approach that would apply to both raw and slabbed coins. Not in any way slamming your suggestion but over 60% of my collection is not PCGS graded leaving me with a hefty labor-intensive challenge.
Great suggestion about finding out which appraisers/sources my insurance company uses. I will do that since my policy is up for renewal at the end of April.
When even PCGS doesn't go by their listed values, how in the world can anybody else go by them ? And what I'm talking about is this. PCGS has a guarantee, but if you exercise that guarantee, when it comes to determining value, PCGS is who determines what that value actually is. And even if their own price guide says a coin is worth $1,000, but they determine the coin is only worth $500 - then $500 is what you get paid. What you need to do Odie is think about how insurance companies work. Say for example you go out and buy a brand new car, but on the way home you have a wreck and it gets totaled. Do you think they're gonna pay you what you paid for the car ? If you do you better think again because they aren't. And even if you have a replacement value policy, you will still only get the replacement value of a used car, slightly used maybe but still used - not the value of a brand new car. It's no different with coin insurance policies. The insurance company will be the one who determines what you get paid, period, end of story. And it's never gonna be what you want it to be, or think it should be. That's how insurance companies stay in business. Now I'm not trying to talk you out if insurance on your collection, far from it. I used to have insurance on my collection too. All I'm trying to do is point out reality to you. Because if and when the unthinkable happens, you should be prepared for it and not have false expectations. You should also be aware that while most collectors think their coins are valued at full retail - they aren't. The true and realistic value of any coin is whatever low wholesale happens to be at any given moment. And low wholesale is defined as what the dealer with the lowest bid will pay for a coin. And most of the time that's somewhere between 20-50% less than whatever full retail is. That - is reality.
Thanks for your comments. Let me assure you I am not naive but I don't think I'm being unrealistic since I have been advised by a contract lawyer to expect that under the terms of my contract the Insurance Company will be required to pay market value not low-end wholesale. And that lawyer agrees that market value is somewhere near the value presented in the likes of the Numismedia FMV Guide or the CDN CDP Market Review. I appreciate your concerns and advise but rest assured if the insurance company tries to hose me, I will exercise my right under my contract to demand umpired arbitration and pay the required fees to ensure that we arrive a values both parties agree with. Of course there is a limit as to how much I would spend and that is why I need auditable, published retail values to make the economic decision.
That's because your lawyer is unaware of things. Things like the fact that none of those listed values are anywhere near realized auction prices. They are all way higher than realized auction prices. And realized auction prices are what defines full retail. And there's more Odie, a lot more. Bottom line, when it goes to court, real world value is going to be determined by what dealers will offer to pay for the coins, at that moment in time. In every court case there's even been that's how it ends up. But please understand this, I'm not trying to be argumentative, not at all. All I'm trying to do is give you, and anybody else who ever reads this, information.
Pay the extra to insure for FULL REPLACEMENT COST. Then it's irrelevant whether the price guide is inflated or not - after a loss they have to find another MS73+* Widget to replace the lost one. Yes, FRC insurance is expensive - do you think insurance companies are stupid???
Nice if you do it I suppose, but I've never heard of a policy that covers coins that does that. No, they don't have to "find" or "replace" anything, all they have to do is write you a check. And the amount of that check will be based on what they determine the coins are worth. That's the Catch-22 in replacement cost policies. As you said, they aren't stupid.
Well, one thing is for sure and that is I got terrific responses from you folks. Thanks. I now have to make some decisions regarding renewing my insurance and how much to pay for premiums.
Anybody here watch Antiques Roadshow? Many times during their appraisals they'll offer two different values for certain collectibles. They'll offer retail value as well as insurance value. Insurance value is always higher. If insurance companies won't settle claims for the insured value why would the appraisal experts recommend insuring those collectibles for more than the retail value?
Simple, because over-insuring is wiser than under-insuring. And to help cover any future increases in value.