Thanks for input - also i am planning on getting some more reference books on commemoratives and I am mostly interested in the 1892-1956. I like the Bowers series [$20], but also leaning towards Swiatek's [$43 new]. Any recommendations? Or both?
Still trying to confirm authenticity of the hawaii commemorative. So I got the coin and took a few photos with my iPhone attached below. I also checked the weight which was correct. Last check would be to submit it for TPG, but for now it rests well in the Dansco-album...
The full size rev. photo unfortunately is a bit blurred (?motion). The close up of the date area shows that the adjacent rim has a very rough look to it. That concerns me. I see some subtle differences in the letters c/w examples on Heritage. This issue is interesting in that it has an "organic" look to it with the rounded stylized lettering, and even the fields have a sort of textured look in places. So some of the usual fake "tells" are lost in the "noise" of the actual design. I am sure there are very high quality fakes with correct weight floating around in the numismatic pool, since the return is potentially thousands. I lean toward this coin being one of these, a bit, but can't say with much certainty. I wouldn't buy it unless authenticated by one of the top 4.
Reason enough to buy a certified one from a reputable seller and be done with it. Pricing is pretty flat up to MS63-64, so there's not much reason to spend nearly that kind of money on a coin that will grade 62 at best (i.e., best case, the seller is honest about the coin having graded 62). I'm not too worried about authenticity of yours based on the pictures, but there are good fakes of the Hawaiian. I can't remember the diagnostics off the top of my head, but if you go look at Heritage lots, you should be able to blow up the coins to see die markers like polishing lines that you can match with your coin.
Totally agree - and I would probably never buy it raw by itself either. It was part of a deal for a whole set of early commemoratives so I took the risk....going to a dealer first to get their input including a metal analysis. I might submit it to one of the big fours eventually
If you asked the question.... "Is there any reason to spend more than $200 on a raw Hawaiian commem?" I would answer No. Those who legitimately should be paying MS money for raw coins don't have to ask questions.