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<p>[QUOTE="Finn235, post: 3882624, member: 98035"][USER=108594]@Mihirbhoj[/USER], I am curious to know where this information came from?</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not profess to be an expert in Medieval Indian history by any means, but I have never once heard the claim that the Gujjar people are indigenous to any part of India. My historical introduction to the series was based largely on the works by Dr. Maheshwari (who argues for a migrated-with-Huns theory) as well as Deyell and other online resources. I do freely admit that assigning of series 1.2 to the Chavadas / Chapas is likely less than 100% accurate, but speculation must be made somewhere, and I feel it to be a more plausible hypothesis than alternatives. Echoing [USER=93416]@EWC3[/USER] I would love to hear your thoughts on who made these coins, if not the Gujjar peoples.</p><p><br /></p><p>At a minimum, we know:</p><p>1) They used drachms of Peroz I enough to equate them to "good money"</p><p>2) They shunned existing Indian weight standards, specifically the Gupta and Maitraka drachms of ~2g which would have still been in circulation when these were made.</p><p><br /></p><p>As a fun aside, in my searching for scraps of fact for this write up, I discovered that there are large groups dedicated to Gujjar culture on social media, complete with their own "gujjar pride" memes:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1025491[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1025492[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1025493[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Note that they themselves have opted to claim lineage from the Kushan dynasties, specifically using Kanishka's tamgha.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bet you never thought you'd see a Kushan tamgha in an internet meme!</p><p><br /></p><p>(And mods, I cant read the text in the second pic, so please remove it if it's anything vulgar)</p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER], it is indeed tough to get a nicely centered Battlescene example. My first two acquisitions show the bottom victim fairly well:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1025504[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1025505[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>It is also worth noting at a high level that the earliest iterations of this series do not have a victim beneath (and some very rare examples have no combatants at all - just a stick figure on a horse. This one shows the horse prancing, not leaping, and only one victim to the front:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1025506[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Finn235, post: 3882624, member: 98035"][USER=108594]@Mihirbhoj[/USER], I am curious to know where this information came from? I do not profess to be an expert in Medieval Indian history by any means, but I have never once heard the claim that the Gujjar people are indigenous to any part of India. My historical introduction to the series was based largely on the works by Dr. Maheshwari (who argues for a migrated-with-Huns theory) as well as Deyell and other online resources. I do freely admit that assigning of series 1.2 to the Chavadas / Chapas is likely less than 100% accurate, but speculation must be made somewhere, and I feel it to be a more plausible hypothesis than alternatives. Echoing [USER=93416]@EWC3[/USER] I would love to hear your thoughts on who made these coins, if not the Gujjar peoples. At a minimum, we know: 1) They used drachms of Peroz I enough to equate them to "good money" 2) They shunned existing Indian weight standards, specifically the Gupta and Maitraka drachms of ~2g which would have still been in circulation when these were made. As a fun aside, in my searching for scraps of fact for this write up, I discovered that there are large groups dedicated to Gujjar culture on social media, complete with their own "gujjar pride" memes: [ATTACH=full]1025491[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1025492[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1025493[/ATTACH] Note that they themselves have opted to claim lineage from the Kushan dynasties, specifically using Kanishka's tamgha. Bet you never thought you'd see a Kushan tamgha in an internet meme! (And mods, I cant read the text in the second pic, so please remove it if it's anything vulgar) [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER], it is indeed tough to get a nicely centered Battlescene example. My first two acquisitions show the bottom victim fairly well: [ATTACH=full]1025504[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1025505[/ATTACH] It is also worth noting at a high level that the earliest iterations of this series do not have a victim beneath (and some very rare examples have no combatants at all - just a stick figure on a horse. This one shows the horse prancing, not leaping, and only one victim to the front: [ATTACH=full]1025506[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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