In the Gutter

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Bing, Dec 2, 2019.

  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Having viewed and drooled over so many wonderful examples of L. Mussidius Longus denarii showing the shrine of Venus Cloacina, I had to find one I could be happy with in my collection. I finally found such an example. For more background here is a CT thread which explains the relationship between Venus and the sewers of Rome: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/venus-cloacina.348359/#post-3763451

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    L. MUSSIDIUS LONGUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: CONCORDIA, diademed and veiled bust of Concordia right, crescent below chin
    REVERSE: Shrine of Venus Cloacina: Circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOACIN and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, flight of steps and portico on left; L • MVSSIDIVS • LONGVS around above
    Rome 42BC
    3.5g, 19mm
    Crawford 494/42C; CRI 188; Sydenham 1093b; Kestner 3753-4; BMCRR Rome 4242-3, Mussidia 6a
     
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  3. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    That's a beautiful example of a terrific type. Never underestimate the importance of proper fecal sludge management for building a great civilization...

    I have the variant without the crescent:
    Römische Republik – Denar, Mussius Longus, Concordia und Venus Cloacina (neu).png
    Roman Republic, moneyer: L. Mussidius Longus, AR denarius, 42 BC, Rome mint. Obv: Head of Concordia r., wearing veil; behind, CONCORDIA upwards. Rev: Shrine of Venus Cloacina with two statues, inscribed CLOACIN; above, L M[VSSID]IVS LONGVS. 17.5mm, 3.68g. Ref: RRC 494/42a.
     
  4. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    Bing, it is good to see you have your mind in the gutter. Great coin. Will you build a TIF like shrine?
    I had to find one too.
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  5. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coin Bing. High on my wishlist. A Good candidate for your top 10 2019 list ;)
     
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  6. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    Great example Bing, your patience looks to have paid off. Cloacina-removebg-preview.png
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Nice job, @Bing !

    This is a tribute to FECAL COMMAND:

    Or, a coin dedicated to Rome's Poop-Chute:

    I find this hilarius as you have the SHINING RAYS of SOL on the coin of WHERE the SUN DON'T SHINE...

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    RR Mussidius Longus
    42 BCE AR Denarius
    Radiant Sol
    - Platform CLOACIN
    Sear 494 Craw 494-42
     
  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Trajan Decius

    Very nice coin @Bing - congrats!
     
  9. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Very nice score on a coin that surely Vespasian would've appreciated all to well...
    Here's my poop coin about poop:
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    L. Mussidius Longus
    42 BC. RomeFoureé Denarius AR16mm., 3,02g.
    Radiate and draped bust of Sol facing slightly right / The shrine of Venus Cloacina; a low circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOAC and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, with flight of steps and portico on left; L•MVSSIDIVS•LONGVS around above.
    nearly very fine
    Crawford 494/43b. Former Savoca
     
  10. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    Wow! That is a fabulous example! @TIF will be pleased. :) (But she is super busy right now so may not reply for a while.)

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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Nice coins, everyone! I need to join the club. It seems like all the cool kids have a Venus Cloacina!

    Now I have an earworm. Here Chrissie Hynde quotes Oscar Wilde: "We are all of us in the gutter/but some of us are looking at the stars" ...

     
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  12. TIF

    TIF Taking a break. Supporter

    What a fantastic example, Bing! The large flan is wonderful and centering great.

    My first two came from my first coin show and were my main targets. At the show I asked Barry Murphy if he had one. He didn't but knew someone who did and told me to check back in a couple of days. He acquired it and then sold it to me. Observing that show and one other, I got the impression that the bulk of transactions at shows are dealer to dealer! Anyway, this one has a tight flan and suboptimal centering but it's a great rendition of Sol with minimal nose squashing :).

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    Moneyer issues of Imperatorial Rome
    L. Mussidius Longus, 42 BCE

    AR denarius, 18 mm, 3.8 gm. Rome mint.
    Obv: Radiate and draped bust of Sol facing
    Rev: Shrine of Venus Cloacina: Circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOAC and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, flight of steps and portico on left; L • MVSSIDIVS • LONGVS around above.
    Ref: Crawford 494/43b; CRI 189a; Sydenham 1094a; Kestner 3758-9 var. (CLOACIN); BMCRR Rome 4252-4; Mussidia 7a.
    Acquired from Barry Murphy at the 2014 ANA World's Fair of Money, Chicago

    At the same show I picked up one with the Concordia obverse. Concordia looks like she smelling something foul :D:

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    Moneyer issues of Imperatorial Rome. L. Mussidius Longus. 42 BC. AR denarius, Rome mint. Diademed and veiled head of Concordia right; CONCORDIA upwards behind / Shrine of Venus Cloacina: Circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOACIN and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, flight of steps and portico on left; L • MVSSIDIVS • LONGVS around above. Crawford 494/42a; CRI 188; Sydenham 1093; Kestner 3753-4; BMCRR Rome 4242-3; Mussidia 6b. Acquired from a dealer at the 2014 ANA World's Fair of Money, Chicago.

    Later I found a better Concordia example and paid far less for it than for either of the above coins. That's why I love auctions. Coin shows are fun but I can't say I've picked up many bargains in the two shows I've attended.

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    Moneyer issues of Imperatorial Rome
    L. Mussidius Longus, 42 BCE

    AR denarius, Rome mint.
    Obv: Diademed and veiled head of Concordia right; CONCORDIA upwards behind; star in right field below chin
    Rev: Shrine of Venus Cloacina: Circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOACIN and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, flight of steps and portico on left; L • MVSSIDIVS • LONGVS around above.
    Ref: Cr. 494/42b; Bab. 6; BMC 4244; Cr. 494/42 b; Syd. 1093 a
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    While I agree that is true, I still enjoy the dealers at shows who do cater to collectors of the old fashion type. As they retire, I don't see them being replaced so the day may come the only place to get coins is slabbed on Amazon.
     
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