In the Gutter

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Bing, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:14 PM.

  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Having viewed and drooled over so many wonderful examples of L. Mussidius Longus denarii showing the shrine of Venus Cloacina, I had to find one I could be happy with in my collection. I finally found such an example. For more background here is a CT thread which explains the relationship between Venus and the sewers of Rome: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/venus-cloacina.348359/#post-3763451

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    L. MUSSIDIUS LONGUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: CONCORDIA, diademed and veiled bust of Concordia right, crescent below chin
    REVERSE: Shrine of Venus Cloacina: Circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOACIN and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, flight of steps and portico on left; L • MVSSIDIVS • LONGVS around above
    Rome 42BC
    3.5g, 19mm
    Crawford 494/42C; CRI 188; Sydenham 1093b; Kestner 3753-4; BMCRR Rome 4242-3, Mussidia 6a
     
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  3. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    That's a beautiful example of a terrific type. Never underestimate the importance of proper fecal sludge management for building a great civilization...

    I have the variant without the crescent:
    Römische Republik – Denar, Mussius Longus, Concordia und Venus Cloacina (neu).png
    Roman Republic, moneyer: L. Mussidius Longus, AR denarius, 42 BC, Rome mint. Obv: Head of Concordia r., wearing veil; behind, CONCORDIA upwards. Rev: Shrine of Venus Cloacina with two statues, inscribed CLOACIN; above, L M[VSSID]IVS LONGVS. 17.5mm, 3.68g. Ref: RRC 494/42a.
     
  4. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    Bing, it is good to see you have your mind in the gutter. Great coin. Will you build a TIF like shrine?
    I had to find one too.
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  5. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coin Bing. High on my wishlist. A Good candidate for your top 10 2019 list ;)
     
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  6. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    Great example Bing, your patience looks to have paid off. Cloacina-removebg-preview.png
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Nice job, @Bing !

    This is a tribute to FECAL COMMAND:

    Or, a coin dedicated to Rome's Poop-Chute:

    I find this hilarius as you have the SHINING RAYS of SOL on the coin of WHERE the SUN DON'T SHINE...

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    RR Mussidius Longus
    42 BCE AR Denarius
    Radiant Sol
    - Platform CLOACIN
    Sear 494 Craw 494-42
     
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  9. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Very nice score on a coin that surely Vespasian would've appreciated all to well...
    Here's my poop coin about poop:
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    L. Mussidius Longus
    42 BC. RomeFoureé Denarius AR16mm., 3,02g.
    Radiate and draped bust of Sol facing slightly right / The shrine of Venus Cloacina; a low circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOAC and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, with flight of steps and portico on left; L•MVSSIDIVS•LONGVS around above.
    nearly very fine
    Crawford 494/43b. Former Savoca
     
  10. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    Wow! That is a fabulous example! @TIF will be pleased. :) (But she is super busy right now so may not reply for a while.)

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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Nice coins, everyone! I need to join the club. It seems like all the cool kids have a Venus Cloacina!

    Now I have an earworm. Here Chrissie Hynde quotes Oscar Wilde: "We are all of us in the gutter/but some of us are looking at the stars" ...

     
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  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    What a fantastic example, Bing! The large flan is wonderful and centering great.

    My first two came from my first coin show and were my main targets. At the show I asked Barry Murphy if he had one. He didn't but knew someone who did and told me to check back in a couple of days. He acquired it and then sold it to me. Observing that show and one other, I got the impression that the bulk of transactions at shows are dealer to dealer! Anyway, this one has a tight flan and suboptimal centering but it's a great rendition of Sol with minimal nose squashing :).

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    Moneyer issues of Imperatorial Rome
    L. Mussidius Longus, 42 BCE

    AR denarius, 18 mm, 3.8 gm. Rome mint.
    Obv: Radiate and draped bust of Sol facing
    Rev: Shrine of Venus Cloacina: Circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOAC and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, flight of steps and portico on left; L • MVSSIDIVS • LONGVS around above.
    Ref: Crawford 494/43b; CRI 189a; Sydenham 1094a; Kestner 3758-9 var. (CLOACIN); BMCRR Rome 4252-4; Mussidia 7a.
    Acquired from Barry Murphy at the 2014 ANA World's Fair of Money, Chicago

    At the same show I picked up one with the Concordia obverse. Concordia looks like she smelling something foul :D:

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    Moneyer issues of Imperatorial Rome. L. Mussidius Longus. 42 BC. AR denarius, Rome mint. Diademed and veiled head of Concordia right; CONCORDIA upwards behind / Shrine of Venus Cloacina: Circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOACIN and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, flight of steps and portico on left; L • MVSSIDIVS • LONGVS around above. Crawford 494/42a; CRI 188; Sydenham 1093; Kestner 3753-4; BMCRR Rome 4242-3; Mussidia 6b. Acquired from a dealer at the 2014 ANA World's Fair of Money, Chicago.

    Later I found a better Concordia example and paid far less for it than for either of the above coins. That's why I love auctions. Coin shows are fun but I can't say I've picked up many bargains in the two shows I've attended.

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    Moneyer issues of Imperatorial Rome
    L. Mussidius Longus, 42 BCE

    AR denarius, Rome mint.
    Obv: Diademed and veiled head of Concordia right; CONCORDIA upwards behind; star in right field below chin
    Rev: Shrine of Venus Cloacina: Circular platform surmounted by two statues of the goddess, each resting right hand on cippus, the platform inscribed CLOACIN and ornamented with trellis-pattern balustrade, flight of steps and portico on left; L • MVSSIDIVS • LONGVS around above.
    Ref: Cr. 494/42b; Bab. 6; BMC 4244; Cr. 494/42 b; Syd. 1093 a
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    While I agree that is true, I still enjoy the dealers at shows who do cater to collectors of the old fashion type. As they retire, I don't see them being replaced so the day may come the only place to get coins is slabbed on Amazon.
     
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