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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 4239406, member: 112"]This is an example of what I was talking about in my 1st post in this thread when I said there would be many different answers. What I didn't expand on at the time was why there would be. And the answer to the why is because many individuals have their own personal definitions for any given word. </p><p><br /></p><p>For example, a fantasy piece. To me the only kind of coin that qualifies as even being a fantasy piece, that can be defined as being a fantasy coin, is a coin that looks like or resembles a genuine coin, but is a coin that has never existed to begin with. In other words there had never been a genuine coin minted with that specific date, that specific mint mark, that specific legend, etc etc. Only then can that coin be called a fantasy coin. That's because a fantasy is by definition something that has never existed. And if it has never existed then it cannot be a counterfeit. </p><p><br /></p><p>So I agree with you on one point, a fantasy coin is not a counterfeit. But I suspect our definitions of what is and what is not a fantasy coin differ.</p><p><br /></p><p>But what I was talking about in my comment quoted above are additional examples, of genuine coins that really did exist, but were minted without any official authority to mint them. </p><p><br /></p><p>I'm trying to do two things here, define a genuine coin as being one made from genuine planchets, with genuine dies, by the original mint, and authorized by the powers that be. </p><p><br /></p><p>Take any one of those things out and the coin is not genuine. And if coin is not genuine it is by definition a counterfeit. </p><p><br /></p><p>Like I said, it's all about definitions, what words mean to me, and what they mean to you. Your definitions are apparently different than mine.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 4239406, member: 112"]This is an example of what I was talking about in my 1st post in this thread when I said there would be many different answers. What I didn't expand on at the time was why there would be. And the answer to the why is because many individuals have their own personal definitions for any given word. For example, a fantasy piece. To me the only kind of coin that qualifies as even being a fantasy piece, that can be defined as being a fantasy coin, is a coin that looks like or resembles a genuine coin, but is a coin that has never existed to begin with. In other words there had never been a genuine coin minted with that specific date, that specific mint mark, that specific legend, etc etc. Only then can that coin be called a fantasy coin. That's because a fantasy is by definition something that has never existed. And if it has never existed then it cannot be a counterfeit. So I agree with you on one point, a fantasy coin is not a counterfeit. But I suspect our definitions of what is and what is not a fantasy coin differ. But what I was talking about in my comment quoted above are additional examples, of genuine coins that really did exist, but were minted without any official authority to mint them. I'm trying to do two things here, define a genuine coin as being one made from genuine planchets, with genuine dies, by the original mint, and authorized by the powers that be. Take any one of those things out and the coin is not genuine. And if coin is not genuine it is by definition a counterfeit. Like I said, it's all about definitions, what words mean to me, and what they mean to you. Your definitions are apparently different than mine.[/QUOTE]
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