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<p>[QUOTE="messydesk, post: 4234760, member: 1765"]To demonstrate that they are equivalent, you have to show that:</p><ol> <li>A counterfeit is a forgery.</li> <li>A forgery is a counterfeit.</li> </ol><p>The first is pretty much a definition of what a counterfeit is. The second is a bit trickier. If the system in which we try to demonstrate equivalence is closed to only the coins themselves, then the second is true, as there are no forgeries that are not counterfeits.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you broaden the system to include other numismatic items, you can have forgeries that aren't counterfeits. Two that come to mind are forged signatures on a document and non-period love token or hobo nickel carvings made to look old. In the case of a document is a real document, perhaps containing information as to the nature of the coin (which may be a fabrication), but the signature, presumably there to give the document credibility, is forged. It's not a counterfeit document, it's just BS with a forged signature. In the case of a modern engraving on a Hobo nickel, one could engrave something in the style of Bo or Ron Landis and try to pass it off as such. The coin is not counterfeit, but the artwork is forged.</p><p><br /></p><p>Edit: An alteration is a genuine coin made to look like another genuine coin. If the date is changed or a mint mark added, I suppose one could consider that to be a forgery, meaning that the second condition (a forgery is a counterfeit) could be false when considering only the coins, making the terms not equivalent.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="messydesk, post: 4234760, member: 1765"]To demonstrate that they are equivalent, you have to show that: [LIST=1] [*]A counterfeit is a forgery. [*]A forgery is a counterfeit. [/LIST] The first is pretty much a definition of what a counterfeit is. The second is a bit trickier. If the system in which we try to demonstrate equivalence is closed to only the coins themselves, then the second is true, as there are no forgeries that are not counterfeits. If you broaden the system to include other numismatic items, you can have forgeries that aren't counterfeits. Two that come to mind are forged signatures on a document and non-period love token or hobo nickel carvings made to look old. In the case of a document is a real document, perhaps containing information as to the nature of the coin (which may be a fabrication), but the signature, presumably there to give the document credibility, is forged. It's not a counterfeit document, it's just BS with a forged signature. In the case of a modern engraving on a Hobo nickel, one could engrave something in the style of Bo or Ron Landis and try to pass it off as such. The coin is not counterfeit, but the artwork is forged. Edit: An alteration is a genuine coin made to look like another genuine coin. If the date is changed or a mint mark added, I suppose one could consider that to be a forgery, meaning that the second condition (a forgery is a counterfeit) could be false when considering only the coins, making the terms not equivalent.[/QUOTE]
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