In Numismatics, is there a difference between forgery and counterfeit?

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  1. HaleiwaHI

    HaleiwaHI Active Member

    Actually, altered is quite a bit different from Reproduction, counterfeit or fake. Altered can indicate intent or re-designed for a purpose, even malicious. IMHO
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well that's kind of why they have different words isn't it ? To convey similar but subtly different meanings so that one can express oneself accurately.

    All of the words counterfeit, forgery, fake, altered - you can argue that they mean different things but in the end they all mean the same thing - not genuine.

    And that, well it's pretty hard to argue that.
     
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  4. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    In a way are we talking about knock offs ? For instance some one makes a copy of a famous piece of jewelry, or coat. Is it real ? of course not. Because the
    item was not authorized.
    Take the ruling handed down by the Texas supreme
    court in 1869 :Tx v White. It concerned Texas issued
    bonds created during the war. Were they authentic ?
    This ruling could shed light on my example of
    CSA coins. The Tx. supreme court ruled that the CSA
    states never were legally succeeded from the Union
    because the U.S. senate never voted to expel the senators and reps of those states that succeeded. a
    requirement of law.
    To me that would imply that the U.S. mints were
    still under the jurisdiction and authority of the U.S.
    government. Even though the CSA Held the mints, they were not authorized to mint coinage. This would support the contention there is no need for intent to
    deceive for an item to be fraudulent...Only the matter of authority to produce the item.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Precisely.
     
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  6. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Agreed GDJMSP; in the Mega Red David Bowers talks about authenticity and "False Coins" covering a gambit of "not genuine" pieces.

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  7. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    They are.
     
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