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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 8234488, member: 24314&quot;]Cinco71, posted: &quot;One of the coins came back as &quot;EDGE FILING THUS NO DECISION.&quot;&nbsp; They are not flat out calling it a fake, but it seems there is significant doubt here, right?&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033">[No, all that ND indicates is they are saying they are not willing to say the coin is a counterfeit or genuine! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; Send the coin back since the damage was not noted in the auction description.&nbsp; They should take the coin back but they may block you from bidding again.]</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>sand, posted: &quot;I&#039;m no expert on the subject [<i><span style="color: #660033">Me either</span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></i>], but it seems to me, like there are 3 possible reasons for edge filing, of an ancient coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>1. The edge of the flan was filed in <b>antiquity</b>, before the coin was struck. Or, in the case of cast coins, after the coin was <b>cast.</b>&nbsp; [<i><span style="color: #660033">I agree, and by any previous owner. However, with experience, this is usually easy to determine <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i>].&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>2. Someone clumsily/inexpertly cleaned the edge of the coin, using sandpaper or a file, and created the file marks that way. Sometimes, such &quot;cleaning marks&quot; or &quot;cleaning scratches&quot;, also happen, on the obverse or reverse of an ancient coin. Cleaning scratches are never desirable, but they are especially worrisome, if they are on the edge of an ancient coin. [<i><span style="color: #660033">Nope, no need to explain.</span></i> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />]</p><p><br /></p><p>3. The coin is a cast fake, and someone filed or sandpapered the edge of the coin, to hide the casting seam. [<span style="color: #660033"><i>The coin might be a fake with a filed edge - NCG could not decide; but any authenticator worth regarding including at least two authenticators working at NGC ancients does not need to see the edge of a coin to determine it is a cast counterfeit! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></i></span>]</p><p><br /></p><p>In any case, it seems like, a reputable auction house, would write &quot;Edge Filing&quot; in the auction listing, and would explain in the auction listing, if the coin were of a type known to have had its edges filed before being struck. [<i><span style="color: #660033">Makes sense to me.</span></i>]</p><p>However, even reputable auction houses, sometimes miss things, like tooling or edge filing, or even fakes. [<i><span style="color: #660033">True and nice of you to mention in defense of the auction house! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />]</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p><b>The NGC Ancients persons have an excellent reputation.</b> Therefore, a reputable auction house would strongly consider the NGC statement, that the coin has edge filing, although the auction house may want to examine the coin to double check the edge filing.</p><p>I recommend, that you double check, using a Loupe or microscope, to see if you can see the edge filing.</p><p>If you find edge filing, then take photos, of the edge filing, if you can.</p><p>If there is edge filing on the coin, then it seems like, a reputable auction house, would refund your money, because edge filing should be noted in the auction listing, just like tooling should be. Also, I recommend, that you search the Forum Ancient Coins &quot;Fake Coin Reports&quot;, to see if the coin matches a known fake.</p><p>And also, I recommend, that you search ACsearch, and compare your coin, versus the ACsearch examples, to see if your coin has any differences, that are not on any of the ACsearch examples, which may indicate, that the coin is fake.</p><p>Perhaps, other CoinTalk persons, will have better advice, than my non-expert advice. [<i><span style="color: #660033">That is something that should have been done for sure. I should think that NGC already did tha</span></i>t <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />]. </p><p><br /></p><p>lordmarcovan, posted: &quot;Same thing happened to me on this Galba sestertius.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rs012-galba-jpg.804127/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m pretty sure it was a genuine coin.&nbsp; I got it from a reputable Swiss dealer.&nbsp; Ended up returning it.&nbsp; Problem solved.&nbsp; They were happy to take it back and resold it- I think at a higher price than what I had bought it for.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don&#039;t think that NGC result is necessarily the automatic kiss of death, but it&#039;s certainly cause for some concern.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p>[<i><span style="color: #660033">A &quot;No decision&quot; is just that.&nbsp; The ONLY concern should be that the coin is not &quot;a self-authenticating, obviously genuine piece.&nbsp; That&#039;s why coins as the OP&#039;s&nbsp; receive a black mark.&nbsp; These days with excellent fakes being produced, if you take a corroded coin as the one above and file the edge, their is virtually no way to be 100% sure it is genuine.&nbsp; The OP&#039;s coin is not corroded so I guarantee there are several ancient experts somewhere overseas who will agree on its status one way or the other. </span></i><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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