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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 4056892, member: 26302"]I disagree with your premise that the incumbent idea, "In God We Trust" on coinage, basically the same as "Under God" in the pledge, has to have an argument to justify it's existence. Jurisprudence is built upon the principal of "Stare Decisis", meaning let the decision stand. This has been litigated for well over a century, with Courts, including the Supreme, having ruled. Were there not atheists 100 years ago? If so, what has changed from when the court ruled?</p><p><br /></p><p>You claim the population has completely changed, so now its a different US than in the past. According to Pew Research, 90% of Americans still claim they believe in God.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/25/key-findings-about-americans-belief-in-god/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/25/key-findings-about-americans-belief-in-god/" rel="nofollow">https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/25/key-findings-about-americans-belief-in-god/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>So, since the new idea has the case to make to displace the Court's ruling, (according to Stare Decisis), 10 percent does not seem DRAMATICALLY enough of a population belief to justify overturning a longstanding, and repeatedly reinforced, decision.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Courts have ruled it is a de-minimus religious connotation, and stated it is not a legal issue to decide. Congress, our legal representatives, have passed the laws requiring it to be on our coinage. It is with the Representational branch of government that any changes should happen, not the courts.</p><p><br /></p><p>Personally, I believe it crowds the coin too much, and prefer St Gauden coins without the motto. I personally wish it was not a requirement, but an optional component that could be on the coin if the design was conducive to it, but that is just my personal beliefs and have never tried to take action one way or the other.</p><p><br /></p><p>Btw, referring to the earlier poster about knowing an atheist in a foxhole in Vietnam, I am sure they exist but I never met one in the Gulf War. Most of us were not very religious at the start of the war, the Chaplain services got progressively more well attended. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 4056892, member: 26302"]I disagree with your premise that the incumbent idea, "In God We Trust" on coinage, basically the same as "Under God" in the pledge, has to have an argument to justify it's existence. Jurisprudence is built upon the principal of "Stare Decisis", meaning let the decision stand. This has been litigated for well over a century, with Courts, including the Supreme, having ruled. Were there not atheists 100 years ago? If so, what has changed from when the court ruled? You claim the population has completely changed, so now its a different US than in the past. According to Pew Research, 90% of Americans still claim they believe in God. [URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/25/key-findings-about-americans-belief-in-god/[/URL] So, since the new idea has the case to make to displace the Court's ruling, (according to Stare Decisis), 10 percent does not seem DRAMATICALLY enough of a population belief to justify overturning a longstanding, and repeatedly reinforced, decision. The Courts have ruled it is a de-minimus religious connotation, and stated it is not a legal issue to decide. Congress, our legal representatives, have passed the laws requiring it to be on our coinage. It is with the Representational branch of government that any changes should happen, not the courts. Personally, I believe it crowds the coin too much, and prefer St Gauden coins without the motto. I personally wish it was not a requirement, but an optional component that could be on the coin if the design was conducive to it, but that is just my personal beliefs and have never tried to take action one way or the other. Btw, referring to the earlier poster about knowing an atheist in a foxhole in Vietnam, I am sure they exist but I never met one in the Gulf War. Most of us were not very religious at the start of the war, the Chaplain services got progressively more well attended. ;)[/QUOTE]
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