In a distant future without money: will numismatic hobby decline?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Herberto, Oct 18, 2016.

  1. yankee doodle

    yankee doodle Member

    Numismatics can be expensive but it does not have to be. Most collectors and those most passionate about our hobby, started as kids filling in the holes of their binders and it all came from common pocket change.
    All shows are scheduled during the weekends in attempt to attract every collecting age, but the attendance is dwindling. If their target market was the retired wealthy, why pay the higher wkend facility fees? Can you imagine coin shows only taking place on tuesdays! With their limited physical mobility, older collectors may be using ebay etc. a lot more than you think. This is where they can finally enroll the participation of their grandkids who can teach and guide them to navigate the internet.
     
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  3. yankee doodle

    yankee doodle Member

    Like Babe Ruth said about baseball, you have to grow up with it and get it into your blood. Our collective challenge is to do the same with numismatics.
     
  4. johnyb

    johnyb Member

    New Zealand abolished its 5 cent coin about 10 years ago and Australia is condidering doing the same .Sad. PS ,I love your pennies (cents really,we had the pennies!) and hope they last for a long time yet.
     
  5. Eaglefawn

    Eaglefawn Active Member

    Yikes you make a good point...'til I read your input I thought "oh it might ebb 'n' flow just as it has throughout the years" but I'd venture to guess you may quite well be unfortunately VERY right...based on what I see on TV these days this atomic copying (sp) may be right around the corner...look at the new gold atomic polymer sheets Mike Mesack (sp) sells atoms of gold?????:eek::jawdrop::nailbiting:
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You guys might be surprised by this but by far - by far - the majority of those who register at CT are under 30. And it's been that way for a long time. There is also a rather large percentage of females. And while my students used to be my age or maybe a bit younger, and I have always had a group of students that I was teaching about coins and still do, in the last 10 years or so most of them have been 30 or younger when we started.

    So I don't think there's any danger of the hobby fading away.
     
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  7. Mad Stax

    Mad Stax Well-Known Member

    Is there a public link to see the sites demographics?
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, only the admins can see them. Mods cannot.
     
  9. Mad Stax

    Mad Stax Well-Known Member

    Okie doke. Can I get a teaser at least? Average age?
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It, the software, doesn't work that way.
     
  11. Mad Stax

    Mad Stax Well-Known Member

  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    What I said in original comment is accurate. Sure, there was a time when the vast majority of forum members were over say 45, with the most in their 50's. But even 10 years ago that number started dropping.

    Back when CT first started we had some younger members, and when I say young I mean young, including a few age 5 and slightly above. We even had a moderator at one time who was a teenager, that I started teaching when he was 8 before CT even existed. He is still a member, a grown man with his own children. We have several other members who were in their early 20's when they first joined, and they have been members for over a decade. Some of them have even become dealers, and yes they go to coin shows, I've met them there.

    But for several years now those who sign up here, new members, more are under 30 than there are those over 30. And yeah we still have those who are over 50; some even in their 80's, but they are few and far between. If you actually averaged them all out, I'd give an educated guess that the number would still be over 30, but under 40.

    Take yourself for example, 26, you are not an exception.
     
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  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I can't speak for this place, but I'd guess my experience at another similar forum is equivalent - a quarter of their active membership is under 25 and the large majority of them not old enough to drink yet. I'm not worried about the future of numismatics, just the stuff that needs to get done to get numismatics into that future.
     
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  14. Eaglefawn

    Eaglefawn Active Member

    Omegaraptor said:
    In 2100 the key date market probably won't exist. People will be able to make perfect copies of a certain issue down to the atomic level, thus being undetectable by grading services.


    But one additional point...isn't Treasury the only Dept. that earns $$ for the Govt.? So I suspect if the Fed does decide to eliminate cash & currency that's a valuable source of income which needs to be replaced.

    goodbye need for tellers, minimizing need for banks on every corner...I don't know it may very well happen but I'd guess quite a way down the road...our economy just isn't good enough right now (and I'd guess for quite some time in the distant future) for the Fed to let go of the Goose.
     
  15. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    A century ago, medal collecting was a bigger hobby than collecting legal tender coins was.
     
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  16. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    No, it isn't. Curbside recycling is not even offered where I live, nor is cable TV, for that matter. We also have no police, no municipal trash removal (most burn), and it sometimes takes 24 hours to get out after a big snowstorm. All that, and I'm an hour from the Liberty Bell, and 2-1/2 hours from Times Square, WITH traffic.
     
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  17. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    This is a result of our nation's Gross National Stupidity, and nothing more. Canada lives without a cent. The Swiss discontinued theirs long ago. Many Euro countries don't use it. Heck, in Switzerland even the 5 rappen (equivalent value about 5.5 U.S. cents) is almost never seen in circulation. The smallest coin they routinely use is worth about 11 U.S. cents. We CAN do it, we SHOULD do it, but our Idiocracy will prevent eliminating the cent.

    Then again, the largest regularly circulating Swiss coin is worth about $5.50 US.
     
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  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    But what is undeniable, Doug, is that there are giHUGEous portions of the coin community that have never used a computer and won't. I will see a slew of them tonight at Red Rose Coin Club. They want NOTHING to do with email, websites, forums, or online ANYTHING. Dozens and dozens of them will be there. So yes, CT may have a younger demo, but it does NOT reflect the hobby writ large. CT is HUGE with newbies.
     
  19. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I never knew that. I still get Canadian cents as change.
    Maybe I should keep them all.
     
  20. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Where were you? They killed that puppy off a few years ago. I must say, though, a mint set without a red coin in it does look a little, umm, incomplete.
     
  21. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    And we need to face the fact that younger collectors are going to experience the hobby online, like they experience everything else, whether we like it or not. I'm not so pessimistic as to see a future where people sit at the keyboard like passive drones without ever seeing the outdoors, or where coin shows disappear, but numismatics needs to move online in a big way in order to keep the hobby thriving into the future.

    Numismatic treeware needs to die as a sole information source. There will always be a market for books because books are something you can "collect," too, but the information they contain needs to be found online as well. That is what younger collectors will expect - the easy availability of information online, just like everything else they want to know about.

    Numismatic sales need to move online to a far greater extent than exists now. Dealer websites - where they exist at all, and that's only a fraction of dealers - generally reflect very little knowledge of effective e-commerce.

    Numismatic interaction, as personified by forums like this one, is where it's going. Social media's success is proof that newer generations wish to interact online, and it is imperative that the numismatic hobby build strong online communities as destinations for younger collectors. This serves their desires, and greatly expands the efficacy of information dissemination. In the future - and the future needs to be pretty darn close to right now - it will be easy to learn online about any numismatic topic, and to pick the brain of experts in any aspect of the hobby.

    The bigger picture is plain, and the sooner we embrace it, the more easily we can guarantee a thriving hobby into the future. That, in a nutshell, is why I'm here and what I do.
     
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