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<p>[QUOTE="Jack D. Young, post: 24598457, member: 93371"]It has been 3 years since I wrote my Coin Week article on a family of fakes based on an 1835 type obverse and 1826 C-1 reverse.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://coinweek.com/struck-counterfeit-coins-another-all-in-the-family-half-cent-1835-1826/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coinweek.com/struck-counterfeit-coins-another-all-in-the-family-half-cent-1835-1826/" rel="nofollow">https://coinweek.com/struck-counterfeit-coins-another-all-in-the-family-half-cent-1835-1826/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Since then it appears the counterfeiters have improved at least the 1811…</p><p><br /></p><p>The double edged sword we talk about is the line between notifying the Hobby/ Collectors and advising the counterfeiters- a main reason I do NOT discuss physical properties of the “coins” in my articles and take some care in several of the public forums I participate in.</p><p><br /></p><p>In my article I did show 2 major “tells” seen on every different dated example I showed, the obverse “gash” and reverse “zipper”:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562688[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>An “1811” from my original article research (images from Bay listings); the green circle is a die indicator of a genuine 1826 C-1 reverse:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562689[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>And now the “new” version:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562690[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The obverse is new and no longer matches the original “family” members:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562691[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Fortunately, it doesn’t exactly match either known 1811 half cent variety either, but certainly closer:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562692[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>And the reverse is still the 1826 C-1, but without the “zipper”:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562693[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I consider these to be mid-level deceptive fakes, but they are closing the gap; IMHO ATTRIBUTION continues to be the key to flushing these out, or these will continue to fool some dealers and collectors alike and be sold!</p><p><br /></p><p>The seller actually ended his auction through our conversations, and I negotiated a price to add to my research set. Part of our discussion is captured in this:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562694[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Best, Jack.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jack D. Young, post: 24598457, member: 93371"]It has been 3 years since I wrote my Coin Week article on a family of fakes based on an 1835 type obverse and 1826 C-1 reverse. [URL]https://coinweek.com/struck-counterfeit-coins-another-all-in-the-family-half-cent-1835-1826/[/URL] Since then it appears the counterfeiters have improved at least the 1811… The double edged sword we talk about is the line between notifying the Hobby/ Collectors and advising the counterfeiters- a main reason I do NOT discuss physical properties of the “coins” in my articles and take some care in several of the public forums I participate in. In my article I did show 2 major “tells” seen on every different dated example I showed, the obverse “gash” and reverse “zipper”: [ATTACH=full]1562688[/ATTACH] An “1811” from my original article research (images from Bay listings); the green circle is a die indicator of a genuine 1826 C-1 reverse: [ATTACH=full]1562689[/ATTACH] And now the “new” version: [ATTACH=full]1562690[/ATTACH] The obverse is new and no longer matches the original “family” members: [ATTACH=full]1562691[/ATTACH] Fortunately, it doesn’t exactly match either known 1811 half cent variety either, but certainly closer: [ATTACH=full]1562692[/ATTACH] And the reverse is still the 1826 C-1, but without the “zipper”: [ATTACH=full]1562693[/ATTACH] I consider these to be mid-level deceptive fakes, but they are closing the gap; IMHO ATTRIBUTION continues to be the key to flushing these out, or these will continue to fool some dealers and collectors alike and be sold! The seller actually ended his auction through our conversations, and I negotiated a price to add to my research set. Part of our discussion is captured in this: [ATTACH=full]1562694[/ATTACH] Best, Jack.[/QUOTE]
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