I'm having trouble calling this one.

But that's not from exposure? Isn't environmental damage different than physical damage?

 

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The first images were before the brightener, that's actually how the coin looked, even under glass. Nothing to do with image quality. It was very dark in color and had no luster at all. I dipped it to see if I could get more detail but it also removed the woodie. Oh well. Another wheatie stripped of it's testament to years past.

 

Again, I would like to argue that woodie effect is caused by environment and that *wood be considered damage.

 

I think this was already stated. See post #4.

When a coin is dropped in the dirt, it could, for instance incur physical damage too by being pounded into the dirt. Or if the dirt was in motion it could cause scraping against it, etc.

A coin, or anything for that matter, does not limit itself to only one occurrence of any type of damage over it's lifetime. Many things can happen over many years.

A coin, which gets scratches on it from probably each and every occurrence of use going back to when it gets dumped into the main bag right after being minted and subsequent coins dropping on top of it becomes a device to buy things and the most people that use it do not care about it's "well being".

The question people cannot answer is *exactly* what type of environmental damage. what was in it, for how long, who put it there and why? was it only once ... maybe it went from a beach environment into someone pocket and fell into a more acidic dirt environment ... 1 month .. 6 months, 5 years later ?? who knows right ?

It seems as though you want to argue specifics, when you yourself do not provide the specifics of the lifecycle of the coin from it's minting to *every* person who has touched it, to *every* instance of any form of damage to *every* instance or where it's been, etc. After all, you have the coin, not us.

We are being totally *generic* as we are missing those *exact* details that you are not providing us and wouldn't being able to provide.

But truthfully, who cares? Learn to identify environmental damage and physical damage and move on.

But, if you want to learn more then you yourself will have to start experimenting on how to perform replicative physical damage both with chemicals and physical things. Then you'll be more informed of how, possibly, the damage occurred in certain scenarios.

 

Good summary. Do you agree that woodie effect is a form of environmental damage without knowing the specific environment that may have influenced the appearance?
All coins are exposed to the environment upon creation. All coins start to suffer from environmental damage from that moment. We can not know the exact exposure of every coin but yet define certain features as environmental damage. Of course it's environmental damage but the environment can physically change the characteristics similarly but not as drastically as mechanical damage. For example... Erosion shapes the terrain into beautiful landscapes but has destroyed the pyramids of Giza. But the pyramids can still be admired. Damage on a coin is damage, no matter when or how it occurred. The difference is the effect of the damage and the quality of the characteristics it produces. Of course you can not always know the conditions of exposure to a coin to determine whether it is natural or artificial unless the damage has a unique fingerprint that can be linked to a particular condition under which the coin was exposed to. That only known conditions under which the majority of coins are exposed can usually only be traced back to it's creation, the mint. Every coin that leaves the mint in a bag is subject to the scrutiny of it's environment. Some more than others.

 

I feel like this thread just was just defined. Not so much that we have come to the conclusion of the condition of this damaged coin but more about whether or not the condition is admirable. I personally find this trait to be a natural occurrence to a circulated coin and a testament to the 50 years of service to our economy. I believe the little guy deserves a nice retirement. He will join his friends and live happily ever after in the 50 and up community bag. My bag of shame. LOL.

 

Sorry but no. It's an allow mix issue.

 

Hey, let's not open a new can of worms until we've finished off the can we already opened.

The woodie effect arises from streaks of metal having different compositions. It may be visible in a coin fresh out of the press, but I think it usually appears when those different-composition streaks tone differently on exposure to air. Some streaks may oxidize more quickly, turning brown faster, or they may just form a different-colored oxide mix over the same period of time.

Is toning environmental damage? That's the new can of worms. Maybe "55-gallon drum" is more appropriate.

 

I get worms, I go fishing. I get fish, I go worming.

 

I understand the alloy mix issue but I believe the environment has something to do with The grain effect which I think happens over time which I think I have shown by removing the texture.

 

That could happen because one part of the mix is more or less reactive than the rest. Or it could be that something corrosive landed on the coin in that pattern, or that something protective landed in that pattern before the coin got exposed to the corrosive agent.

 

Think what you wish. You have been told the truth about the coin.

 

So your saying a woodie simply came out of the mint as is? No other condition contributing to the effect?

 

No, I did not say that.

 

No you did not say that. I just wanted to confirm.

 

Hey, now you're putting words in my mouth...

 

I "wood" never put anything in another mans mouth.

 

Settle down.

You quoted me, and inserted your own text in the quote:

I never said that second sentence. In fact, I disagree with it. I'd appreciate it if you'd edit your post to take that out.

 

I don't know how the frig I did that. I thought you were joking about the comment. EDITED: READ the rules on abbreviations in the language rules and keep it clean!I cant edit now.

 

I miss quoted Jeff here.. Sorry Jeff.