I'm having trouble calling this one.

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by bruthajoe, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    I'm having a personal debate with declaring this condition. I've dismissed damage. Missing clad maybe?
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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    But it is damage!
     
  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Cents aren't clad, so it can't be a missing clad layer.

    Is the coin thinner than other cents?

    The diagonal streaks look like improper mixing of the alloy this was struck from (the "woody" effect).

    There's definitely environmental damage, but I don't know what else might have been going on before that. It certainly looks like it started out as a weak strike, at least to me.
     
  5. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Enviormentally damaged surfaces -

    not the typical 'acid treated' kind, but
    some type of corrosive liquid, especially
    on the reverse side.

    Obv. 'looks' like planchet streaks (woodie)
    but I don't think that's the original cause.
     
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  6. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Thing is the legends are barely raised on the field but , the rim is fine. The damage does not seem evenly distributed over the entire surface.
    Clad duh. Right
     
  7. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    1.4 mm
     

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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Why.. Never dismiss it.

    It's DEFDAM - Definitely Damaged :yack:

    And what Fred Weinberg stated!
     
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  9. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    I've dismissed damage because the rim seems unaffected. And the reverse has the same features but it has a better relief.
     
  10. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    I think Fred Weinberg posted "looks like wire brush" in the wrong thread. It's okay I got it
     
  11. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Thing is the legends are barely raised on the field but , the rim is fine. The damage does not seem evenly distributed over the entire surface.
     
  12. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Why would it have to be evenly distributed across the surfaces?
     
  13. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    If it was environmental or submerged in acid wouldn't the damage be consistent throughout the fields, legends and rim? PS I'm not disregarding the census of damage and I thank everyone for their input.
     
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  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I don't know what you are seening but it looks to me like damage on the Rim also o_O
     
  15. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    how is the rim fine?
    Rim on the reverse looks to be damaged by at least the same thing that damaged the EPU ?

    If the damage was done by hand, or even machine (such as a small dremel where one has to move it across the area), why would you think it *should be evenly distributed*?
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  16. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    I'm really not entertaining this is due to some sort of machining. This is an extremely difficult pattern to achieve and there would be no reason for a person to do so. I accept environmental damage but what gets me is the rim and date have very crisp reliefs on the obverse where I would expect the edges of the legends to be rounded over and less uniform across the whole surface with more pitting. Corrosion attacks the corners, sharp edges and weak spots before it attacks the flat surfaces and Fields. ??? Such a perfectly weathered penny. 200121_163205.jpg
     
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  17. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    A little coin brightner to shed more light on the subject, literally. From this can I suggest wood effect is caused by certain environmental conditions that form deposits along the grain pattern of the planchets used in these time periods that are not otherwise very visible, Perhaps?
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  19. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Now the date and the lettering does not look as crisp as you say it did before. The 4 is smooshed.

    IMHO
     
  20. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's best to post good images from the start. You get better answers that way.
    Either way, it's clear that it's a well worn damaged coin.
     
  21. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The 4 has been flattened or smashed.
     
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