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<p>[QUOTE="davidh, post: 466635, member: 15062"]Although I usually come off sounding argumentative, I'm really just trying to get information to educate myself. Or to impart an opinion that I think is relevant to the subject.</p><p><br /></p><p>When the OP was made, I was simply pointing out that the ICH looked to have problems and didn't match the apparent quality of the other offerings by the same seller.</p><p><br /></p><p>The thread then changed to question the reputation of the seller and I asked what that reputation was. In answer I was told "You may want to rethink your opinion on that." and "... never bought one of their coins just because of the pictures." Neither of those responses gave a bit of information on what I should be looking out for.</p><p><br /></p><p>Asking for further clarification I was shown pictures of five coins the seller is offering. No explanation relevant to my question was given but I was asked to opine about each coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>About the dime, "Is this coin a gem full bands?" If it's not, why isn't it?</p><p><br /></p><p>About the IHC, "Is this coin a Cameo Gem Proof Indian cent?" If it's not, why isn't it?</p><p><br /></p><p>About the first cent, "is this uncirculated?" What do you see that tells you it isn't?</p><p><br /></p><p>About the second cent, "is this gem uncirculated?" There does appear to be a bit of wear on the leaves. This could be wear or just part of the overall weak strike of this coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>About the Barber, "Does this look choice BU to you?" It does to me; what do you see that I don't?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>While the words "Gem", "Choice", "Brilliant", etc. may have some meaning to you and others, they are by no means universal in usage or meaning. Many graders and dealers simply don't use those words as they impart little information to the grade.</p><p><br /></p><p>As to a $500 coin being passed off as a $1400 coin, we'll have to wait and see where it goes. It's only a little over $100 in the bidding so far.</p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, I would say that a high percentage of all silver coins over 150 years old that have been out in the marketplace (not in someone's drawer) have been cleaned. Some badly, some quite well. Personally, as long as no design detail has been lost, I don't see a problem with it. Can you point out the loss of detail in the Barber?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="davidh, post: 466635, member: 15062"]Although I usually come off sounding argumentative, I'm really just trying to get information to educate myself. Or to impart an opinion that I think is relevant to the subject. When the OP was made, I was simply pointing out that the ICH looked to have problems and didn't match the apparent quality of the other offerings by the same seller. The thread then changed to question the reputation of the seller and I asked what that reputation was. In answer I was told "You may want to rethink your opinion on that." and "... never bought one of their coins just because of the pictures." Neither of those responses gave a bit of information on what I should be looking out for. Asking for further clarification I was shown pictures of five coins the seller is offering. No explanation relevant to my question was given but I was asked to opine about each coin. About the dime, "Is this coin a gem full bands?" If it's not, why isn't it? About the IHC, "Is this coin a Cameo Gem Proof Indian cent?" If it's not, why isn't it? About the first cent, "is this uncirculated?" What do you see that tells you it isn't? About the second cent, "is this gem uncirculated?" There does appear to be a bit of wear on the leaves. This could be wear or just part of the overall weak strike of this coin. About the Barber, "Does this look choice BU to you?" It does to me; what do you see that I don't? While the words "Gem", "Choice", "Brilliant", etc. may have some meaning to you and others, they are by no means universal in usage or meaning. Many graders and dealers simply don't use those words as they impart little information to the grade. As to a $500 coin being passed off as a $1400 coin, we'll have to wait and see where it goes. It's only a little over $100 in the bidding so far. Finally, I would say that a high percentage of all silver coins over 150 years old that have been out in the marketplace (not in someone's drawer) have been cleaned. Some badly, some quite well. Personally, as long as no design detail has been lost, I don't see a problem with it. Can you point out the loss of detail in the Barber?[/QUOTE]
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