If you're going to let a history book define your collecting focus, why not Mary Beard?

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  1. Roman Collector

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    Many collectors aim to assemble a "Twelve Caesars" (Julius Caesar - Domitian) set, based upon Suetonius' book by that title. But this list includes three that issued coins for only a short period of time and yet, by historical standards, made little difference in the course of Roman history. The set can be difficult to acquire, particularly in a matching set of denarii.

    Easier to acquire is a "five good emperors" (Nerva - Marcus Aurelius) set, based upon Edward Gibbon's use of that phrase. This list includes emperors whose reign made an enormous impact on Roman history, but is too small and too easily acquired to satisfy most collectors' desire for the "thrill of the hunt."

    Isn't there anything in between -- a set that is modestly challenging and includes important historical figures but without setting the average collector back the price of a good used car? Yes, friends, there is!

    If you're going to let a book define what constitutes a set of Roman coins, why not chapter 10 of Mary Beard's excellent history, SPQR? Chapter 10 is titled, "Fourteen Emperors." You may choose to collect them in any metal you like or include provincial or imperial issues -- whatever suits your budget and fancy!

    I have just such a set, which I display below. Let's see yours!

    1. Tiberius:

    Tiberius Denarius.jpg
    Tiberius, AD 14-37.
    Roman AR Denarius; 3.87 g, 18.5 mm.
    Lugdunum, AD 16-37.
    Obv: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGVSTVS, laureate head, right.
    Rev: PONTIF MAXIM, Livia, as pax, seated right, holding long olive branch and inverted spear; legs of chair ornate, triple line below.
    Refs: RIC 28; BMCRE 45; RCV 1763 var.

    2. Gaius (Caligula):

    Caligula Corith Pegasus.jpg
    Caligula, AD 37-41.
    Roman provincial Æ 20 mm, 6.74 g.
    Peloponnese, Corinthia, Corinth, Ae. P. Vipsanius Agrippa and M. Bellius Proculus, duoviri, AD 37-38.
    Obv: C CAESAR AVGVSTV, bare head right.
    Rev: M BELLIO PROCVLO IIVIR / COR, Pegasus flying right.
    Refs: RPC I 1173; Amandry (1988) XVII; BCD Corinth 405-6.

    3. Claudius:

    Claudius and Messalina Alexandria.jpg
    Claudius and Messalina.
    Roman provincial billon tetradrachm, 10.32 gm; 24.0 mm.
    Alexandria, AD 45/46.
    Obv: ΤΙ ΚΛΑΥΔΙ ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒΑ ΓΕΡΜΑΝΙ ΑΥΤΟΚΡ, laureate head of Claudius, r.; LϚ (year 6) before.
    Rev: ΜΕΣΣΑΛΙΝΑ ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒΑΣ, Messalina standing l., holding children and ears of corn.
    Refs: RCV 1869; SGI 495; RPC 5164; BMCG 75; SNG Cologne 88; Milne 106; Emmett 74.

    4. Nero:

    Nero and Poppeae.jpg
    Nero and Poppaea Sabina.
    Roman provincial billon tetradrachm, 23.1 mm, 11.55 g.
    Egypt, Alexandria, AD 64/65.
    Obv: ΝΕΡΩ ΚΛΑV ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒ ΓΕΡ ΑV, radiate head of Nero, right.
    Rev: ΠΟΠΠΑΙΑ ΣΕΒΑΣΤΗ, draped bust of Poppaea, right, LIA (year 11) before Refs: RCV 2002; SGI 664; RPC 5280; Köln 168; BMCG 124; Milne 223; Curtis 138; Cohen 315, 3; Emmett 128.

    5. Vespasian:

    Vespasian COS ITER TR POT denarius.jpg
    Vespasian, AD 69-79.
    Roman AR denarius, 2.73 gm, 17.7 mm.
    Rome, AD 70.
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG, laureate head, r.
    Rev: COS ITER TR POT, Pax seated l., holding branch and caduceus.
    Refs: RIC 10D; BMCRE 26; RCV 2285.

    6. Titus:

    Titus denarius.jpg
    Titus, AD 79-81.
    Roman AR denarius,3.31 g, 18.3 mm.
    Rome, AD 80
    Obv: IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M, Laureate head, right.
    Rev: TR P IX IMP XV COS VIII P P, Ornamented semi-circular diadem on draped seat or table; 3 crescent like objects above.
    Refs: RIC 24a; BMCRE 58; RSC 313; RCV 2514; CBN 47.

    7. Domitian:

    Domitian Minerva denarius.jpg
    Domitian, AD 81-96.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.43 g, 18 mm.
    Rome, AD 91.
    Obv: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR XI (error; should read TR P XI), laureate head, right.
    Rev: IMP XII COS XV CENS P P P, Minerva advancing right, brandishing a javelin and holding a shield Refs: RIC 156; RIC² 724; BMCRE p. 336, note; Cohen 269; RCV --.
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF I am not an expert Supporter

    Good idea! You just may start the "next big thing" :)
     
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  4. Roman Collector

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    8. Nerva:

    Nerva IVSTITIA AVGVST denarius RIC 30.jpg
    Nerva, AD 96-98.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.37 g, 16.5 mm, 7 h.
    Rome, Oct-Dec AD 97.
    Obv: IMP NERVA CAES AVG P M TR P II COS III P P, laureate head right.
    Rev: IVSTITIA AVGVST: Justitia, draped, seated right on low backed chair, feet on stool, holding long straight scepter in right and branch extended in left.
    Refs: RIC 30; Cohen 103.

    9. Trajan:

    Trajan Mars Denarius.jpg
    Trajan, AD 98-117.
    Roman AR denarius, 2.95 gm, 20 mm.
    Rome, AD 114-117.
    Obv: IMP CAES NER TRAIANO OPTIMO AVG GER DAC, laureate and draped bust, right.
    Rev: P M TR P COS VI P P S P Q R, Mars walking right with spear and trophy.
    Refs: RIC 337; BMCRE 536; Cohen 270; RCV --; Woytek 520v; Strack 230; BN 819.

    10. Hadrian:

    Hadrian Fortuna Denarius.jpg
    Hadrian, AD 117-138.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.44 g, 17.5 mm, 7:00.
    Rome, AD 121.
    Obv: IMP CAESAR TRAIAN HADRIANVS AVG, laureate bust right, slight drapery on far shoulder.
    Rev: P M TR P COS III, Fortuna standing left, holding rudder and cornucopiae and resting on column.
    Refs: RIC 86b; BMCRE 170; RSC 1155; UCR 206; RCV 3521.

    11. Antoninus Pius:

    Antoninus Pius Annona Sestertius.jpg
    Antoninus Pius, AD 138-161.
    Roman orichalcum sestertius, 23.16 g, 29 mm.
    Rome, AD 142.
    Obv: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P COS III, laureate head right.
    Rev: ANNONA AVG S C, Annona standing right, between modius and prow, holding corn ears and out-turned cornucopiae.
    Refs: RIC 597; BMCRE 1228; Cohen 37; RCV 4147; UCR 502.

    12. Marcus Aurelius:

    Marcus Aurelius LIBERAL AVG V COS III denarius.jpg
    Marcus Aurelius, AD 161-180.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.53 g, 17.4 mm, 1 h.
    Rome, AD 169.
    Obv: M ANTONINVS AVG TR P XXIII, laureate head right.
    Rev: LIBERAL AVG V COS III, Liberalitas standing left, holding abacus and cornucopiae.
    Refs: RIC 206; BMCRE 492; Cohen 412; RCV 4914; MIR 181.

    13. Lucius Verus:

    Lucius Verus denarius.jpg
    Lucius Verus, AD 161-169.
    Roman AR Denarius, 17 mm, 3.36g, 6h.
    Rome, AD 168.
    Obv: L VERVS AVG ARM PARTH MAX, laureate head right.
    Rev: FORT RED TR P VIII IMP V COS III, Fortuna seated left, holding rudder and cornucopiae.
    Refs: RIC 586; BMC 477; Cohen 111; RCV 5350; MIR 170.

    14. Commodus:

    Commodus Liberalitas denarius.jpg
    Commodus, AD 177-192.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.42 g, 18 mm.
    Rome, AD 180.
    Obv: M COMMODVS ANTONINVS AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev: LIB AVG TR P V IMP IIII COS II P P, Liberalitas standing left, holding counting-board and cornucopiae.
    Refs: RIC 10; RSC 302; BMC 3; Szaivert 496/4.
     
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  5. Ryro

    Ryro "To the strongest!" Supporter

    Great idea! And Mary Beard is awesome! I just watched het documentaries on Julius Caesar and Caligula on YouTube a week or so ago. Good times
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Great idea @Roman Collector ... And, as it is your specialty, you have a VERY FINE collection of the Roman Emperors! Gorgeous stuff! Congrats!

    BEARD's 14 EMPERORS:


    1) TIBERIUS
    RI Tiberius AE As 14-37 CE Laureate-Pont Max Globe Rudder sinister left RIC I 58.jpg

    RI Tiberius AE As 14-37 CE Laureate-Pont Max Globe Rudder sinister left RIC I 58

    2) Gaius (Caligula):
    RI Gaius Caligula AE As 37-41 CE Vesta seated S-C.jpg
    RI Gaius Caligula AE As 37-41 CE Vesta seated S-C

    3) Claudius:
    RI Claudius 41-54 Ae As 28mm LIBERTAS AVGVSTA holding pileus S-C RIC 113.jpg
    RI Claudius 41-54 Ae As 28mm LIBERTAS AVGVSTA holding pileus S-C RIC 113

    4) Nero:
    RI Nero AR Tetradrachm 54-68 CE Eagle.jpg
    RI Nero AR Tetradrachm 54-68 CE Eagle

    5) Vespasian:
    RI Vespasian 69-79 CE AE Dupondius Felicitas stdg caduceus cornucopia sinister left.jpg
    RI Vespasian 69-79 CE AE Dupondius Felicitas stdg caduceus cornucopia sinister left

    6) Titus:
    RI Titus 79-81 CE AR Denarius Ceres seated corn ear poppy torch.jpg
    RI Titus 79-81 CE AR Denarius Ceres seated corn ear poppy torch

    7) Domitian:
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    RI Domitian AR Denarius 81-96 CE Minerva thunderbolt spear shield protruded chin COS XV CENS PPP RIC 726
     
  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark hominem unius libri timeo Dealer

    nevermind
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    8) Nerva:
    RI Nerva AE Dupondius 96-98 CE LIBERTAS PVBLICA -pileus TIF.jpg
    RI Nerva AE Dupondius 96-98 CE LIBERTAS PVBLICA -pileus TIF

    9. Trajan:
    RI Trajan CE 98-117 AR drachm Struck CE 114-116 Arabia Petraea Bostra - Camel SNG ANS 1158.JPG
    RI Trajan CE 98-117 AR drachm Struck CE 114-116 Arabia Petraea Bostra - Camel SNG ANS 1158

    10. Hadrian:
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    RI Hadrian AR Quinarius 1.3g, 14mm Rome, AD 119-122 cuirassed laureate COS III Victory seated wreath palm RIC 108a

    11. Antoninus Pius:
    RI Antoninus Pius 138-161 BCE AR Denarius.jpg
    RI Antoninus Pius 138-161 BCE AR Denarius

    12. Marcus Aurelius:
    RI MARCUS AURELIUS AR Den as Caesar TR POT VI COS II - Genius stg at altar hldg standard.jpg
    RI MARCUS AURELIUS AR Den as Caesar TR POT VI COS II - Genius stg at altar hldg standard

    13. Lucius Verus:
    RI Lucius Verus 161-169 CE AR Denarius Providentia globe cornucopiae RIC 253.jpg
    RI Lucius Verus 161-169 CE AR Denarius Providentia globe cornucopiae RIC 253

    14. Commodus:
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    RI Commodus 177-192 CE AR Denarius 17.7mm 2.42g Apollo Plectrum Lyre RIC 218 RSC 25 BMCRE 292 Rare Type
     
  9. Roman Collector

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    Well, Suetonius ends in AD 96 and that never stopped anyone!
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    She spent some time on Augustus... I would suggest you add him, making it the Beard 15?

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    RI Augustus AR Denarius struck 2 BC-14 AD Caius and Lucius Caesars stdg shield spear Sear 1578 NGC4276216-007
     
  12. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark hominem unius libri timeo Dealer

    nevermind
     
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  13. Roman Collector

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    Well, it was really more of a rhetorical question. I, too, enjoy collecting areas outside of Beard's list, such as empresses, the Severan dynasty, and the third century in general.
     
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  14. Ryro

    Ryro "To the strongest!" Supporter

    To @Roman Collector s point, Suetonius's 12 Caesar's ends at Domitian for the love of Zeus! Just sayin...
     
  15. Orfew

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    I also collect what I like. It just so happens that what I like falls in the first 100 or so years of the empire. First I read the Suetonius book, then I became very interested in the time period, then I became interested in the rulers of that period, and lastly I collected the coins of those rulers. I find the time period and the rulers to be fascinating.

    Why does having something written in a book disqualify it as a collecting focus? Why must these things be mutually exclusive?

    Has there been a group of 12 Caesars collectors attacking you for collecting LRBs?


    Why are people so judgmental about what others collect?
     
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  16. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..its the nature of the beast...
     
  17. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    well shucks! i'm already missing 3...:rolleyes:
     
  18. medoraman

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    I think many of us here would have a 14 emperors set just from our boxes. The only one in my mind as a hoarder most would have to go out of their way to get would be Gaius. I have a few of his, (copper only of course, never liked him enough to pony up for one of his silvers).
     
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  19. Orfew

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    What is interesting about the 14 is that the coins I am missing are coins I was slowly adding anyway. For example, I have added an A. Pius, Hadrian, and Marcus Aurelius. I just need the Nerva,Trajan, Lucius Verus, and Commodus. I was going to add these anyway. Now I just have to decide if I want them all in one metal. My A.Pius is bronze, but the rest are silver. Oh well, might as well add another A.Pius this time in silver. Why not? It is all about having fun, and hunting for coins to add is fun.
     
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