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<p>[QUOTE="Gavin Richardson, post: 4654780, member: 83956"]Lovely Trajan coins, and an interesting thread about representing the “Other.” By the fourth century, it seems the Romans had a couple of ways of signaling “barbarian,” with one being the Phrygian cap (top) and the other depicting the barbarian bare-headed, with a kind of weird, bulbous head of hair (bottom).</p><p><br /></p><p>What’s fascinating to me is that both representations can be found on Constantinian SOLI INVICTO COMITI variants that were likely minted to celebrate his victory over Licinius in 316—in other words, not a war against barbarians but against other Romans. Perhaps the army had been sufficiently “Germanized” by this time so that a captive from their first civil war could be represented as a barbarian. But it seems to me that Constantine wanted to say that he who is against me is no Roman at all.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry this is a bit of a hijack. But I wonder if what we call the “Phrygian cap” on later coins may actually be a Dacian hat described by [USER=103515]@catadc[/USER] above?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1149116[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1149117[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Gavin Richardson, post: 4654780, member: 83956"]Lovely Trajan coins, and an interesting thread about representing the “Other.” By the fourth century, it seems the Romans had a couple of ways of signaling “barbarian,” with one being the Phrygian cap (top) and the other depicting the barbarian bare-headed, with a kind of weird, bulbous head of hair (bottom). What’s fascinating to me is that both representations can be found on Constantinian SOLI INVICTO COMITI variants that were likely minted to celebrate his victory over Licinius in 316—in other words, not a war against barbarians but against other Romans. Perhaps the army had been sufficiently “Germanized” by this time so that a captive from their first civil war could be represented as a barbarian. But it seems to me that Constantine wanted to say that he who is against me is no Roman at all. Sorry this is a bit of a hijack. But I wonder if what we call the “Phrygian cap” on later coins may actually be a Dacian hat described by [USER=103515]@catadc[/USER] above? [ATTACH=full]1149116[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1149117[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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