I'd say NGC missed the most important issue with this coin!

Jack D. Young, posted: "My example started as an obviously holed coin in an NGC holder, then after repaired detailed by PCGS. I assume "Tooled" includes "holed/ repaired"...

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Jack, I would not assume that at all. IMO, PCGS had no clue the coin was plugged!!!

 

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You are probably right, as they asked me later to send it in for "review" and updated label...

 

LOL. Of course, they did. This is not the old days when authenticators were able to take their time with each coin. The TPGS are sweat mills and stuff must be done yesterday. Nevertheless, there is so much volume that it still takes a month to get a coin back. The dirty little secret is that turnaround time is often dependent on money paid. It is right there on the submission form.

I've worked at places where coins were sent out as fast as possible with no fee scale and places were coins were held for shipment until a suitable amount of time had passed.

 

I will say this about the half dime mentioned by the op. That is one of the best plug jobs ive seen. Most look like crap. I wouldnt mind too much owning a coin I really wanted plugged like that. JMO.

 

While I agree with the idea that the most detracting problem should be listed, if there are 2 major problems then I want to see them both. "Plugged, Cleaned" can both easily fit on a label.

And to me, "holed and repaired" is a far more serious issue than "cleaned".

 

I actually have a rare variety bust quarter that is cleaned, scratched, damaged, and tooled. Not sure it would all fit on the holder, haha! NGC called it F details. Cleaned.

 

Jack, Just curious if you did the repair yourself? It was a very good job and I personally have never attempted to repair a hole.

 

No, the counterfeiters made the repairs before making the dies and struck the fakes, then submitted the probable source for certification and resale.

Fake:

 

physics-fan3.14, posted: "While I agree with the idea that the most detracting problem should be listed, if there are 2 major problems then I want to see them both. "Plugged, Cleaned" can both easily fit on a label. "

"And to me, "holed and repaired" is a far more serious issue than "cleaned".

Of course it is for everyone except for the seller!

While I agree and wish ALL problems were listed because each detracts, we won't ever get OUR wishes. It's bad for business. See C-B-C below for proof.

If I were in charge, details grades would be educational. Right now, coins that fall on a scale of lightly cleaned all the way up to heavily polished can be found labeled as "cleaned." Who does that educate?

C-B-D, posted: I actually have a rare variety bust quarter that is cleaned, scratched, damaged, and tooled. Not sure it would all fit on the holder, haha! NGC called it F details. Cleaned."

Oh my. Image?

 

This is an interesting post in my opinion! Insider's comments hit home as well, kind of "in the eyes of the beHOLDER"...

I purchased a cool 1794 S-18b "head of '93" large cent with common environmental issue surfaces (for an early large cent) and pretty obvious planchet issues. The coin was holdered as "Environmental Damage G-Detail" with no note of the planchet flaw (Mint made); appearing slightly undergraded it was sent in for a "review" and reholdered as "Planchet Flaw F-Detail".

Good for the owner (I am told it increased its value), but the same coin nonetheless.

 

These poor coins make me sad

 

Man, why did it have to be a B-9 (with the desirable arrowhead clashes to boot) that they decided to scratch and tool? Why couldn’t this have happened to a common 1818 variety instead?

 

C-B-D, posted: I actually have a rare variety bust quarter that is cleaned, scratched, damaged, and tooled. Not sure it would all fit on the holder, haha! NGC called it F details. Cleaned."

IMO, the vertical line in the center of the obverse is an adjustment mark.

Cleaned, scratched? Meh. The tooling is the major problem! They screwed up.

That Large cent is still corroded (as are most) so leaving that off is a good thing. Damn, they missed the grade the first time also.

 

Who cares about its problems. That clash is awesome!

 

That's why I had to have it.

 

They're also screwing up grading of Brazilain coins although they do it consistantly. Some are undergraded but right now the important types I'd like to buy are ridiculously overgraded. I know, I know, it really doesn't matter: they reset the standard on what an unc coin really is.

 

yup, unc once meant no wear, today: what the market accepts

 

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