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<p>[QUOTE="900fine, post: 595158, member: 6036"]So here's the whole big mystery about "is it a proof or not ?"</p><p> </p><p>Though they don't show in the photos, this coin has unmistakable proof fields which shine through the tone. But here's the real issue - Breen describes die states as follows :</p><blockquote><p><b>Die State II - Faint cracks: one joins fourth to sixth stars, anoither goes from seventh star into field above head, about 11 o'clock. No clash marks. <i>Found only on proofs</i>. </b>(emphasis mine)</p><p> </p><p><b>Die State III - First crack extends down to second star. Faint single clash marks on both sides. <i>Found only on proofs</i>. </b>(emphasis mine)</p><p><br /></p></blockquote><p>The reverse does, indeed, have unmistakable clash marks, indicating DS III (or later). They show as the lighter areas in these places :</p><ul> <li>Inside the wreath, between leaves, left and below the "C" in CENT</li> <li>Inside the wreath, connecting the leaves with the "H" in HALF</li> <li>Inside the wreath, between leaves, below S2</li> </ul><p>But here's the mystery : The obverse shows a slightly <b><i>earlier obverse die state</i></b> than Breen's DS II. There are die cracks from stars 2 - 6, but there is no crack at Star 7. Further, there are no traces of obverse clash marks.</p><p> </p><p>But this coin shows a reverse die state III reverse; the clash marks prove that ! How could it have early Die State II obverse, but Die State III reverse ? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>It's possible the obverse die was lapped and repolished. Breen does not describe this as die state VI, but it indicates the reground dies have a plainer obverse crack, and obverse clash marks (which this coin lacks).</p><p> </p><p>The coin is currently in an NGC MS64 RB PL slab. Personally, by Breen's definition, I believe the coin is a proof.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="900fine, post: 595158, member: 6036"]So here's the whole big mystery about "is it a proof or not ?" Though they don't show in the photos, this coin has unmistakable proof fields which shine through the tone. But here's the real issue - Breen describes die states as follows : [INDENT][B]Die State II - Faint cracks: one joins fourth to sixth stars, anoither goes from seventh star into field above head, about 11 o'clock. No clash marks. [I]Found only on proofs[/I]. [/B](emphasis mine) [B]Die State III - First crack extends down to second star. Faint single clash marks on both sides. [I]Found only on proofs[/I]. [/B](emphasis mine) [/INDENT]The reverse does, indeed, have unmistakable clash marks, indicating DS III (or later). They show as the lighter areas in these places : [LIST] [*]Inside the wreath, between leaves, left and below the "C" in CENT [*]Inside the wreath, connecting the leaves with the "H" in HALF [*]Inside the wreath, between leaves, below S2 [/LIST]But here's the mystery : The obverse shows a slightly [B][I]earlier obverse die state[/I][/B] than Breen's DS II. There are die cracks from stars 2 - 6, but there is no crack at Star 7. Further, there are no traces of obverse clash marks. But this coin shows a reverse die state III reverse; the clash marks prove that ! How could it have early Die State II obverse, but Die State III reverse ? :confused: It's possible the obverse die was lapped and repolished. Breen does not describe this as die state VI, but it indicates the reground dies have a plainer obverse crack, and obverse clash marks (which this coin lacks). The coin is currently in an NGC MS64 RB PL slab. Personally, by Breen's definition, I believe the coin is a proof.[/QUOTE]
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