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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;johnmilton, post: 8224526, member: 101855&quot;]The trouble with old holders and copper coins is that the coins can tone over time. I got burned when I was dealer on an &quot;MS-65, Red&quot; large cent that turned R&amp;B and was headed to Brown before too long. The 1855 half cent in the PCGS MS-64 R&amp;B, CAC holder has been in that holder for over 20 years. Who knows what it looked like in the late 1990s when it was graded?</p><p><br /></p><p>This is why I stay away from most Red copper unless it&#039;s Proof coin from 1936 or newer in a very old holder.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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